Holland,Wall, Lloyd Family from Ashton Underlyne

[dutchie]

I am search the following, George Atkinson Holland born Aug,26 1882 in Manchester England.Married Dorothy Lloyd. She was born Aug.24 1884 Pemberton England.
They had one known son Harold Holland born Aug 31 1907.He was born in Pontypool, Wales or Manchester, England.George is the Father of Harold,mother is unknown ( Davies )
George,Dorothy and son Harold immigrated to East Kelowna, B.C, Canada in 1919.
Harold Holland, Married Edith Wall,in Ashton Underlyne England.1944
Harold returned to Kelown B.C 1945 on a troop ship.Then sent for his family.Wife and son
I am trying to do my family tree, so;
If anyone has connection to these family names I would be interested in learning more about them
Just a few other names from Ashton Underlyne: John Lloyd born 1880`s. Hubert, Ivy, Clara, Cissie,Charles Wall all born between 1895-1910. ??
Thank you Dutchie

[Trish]

...Dorothy Lloyd. She was born Aug.24 1884 Pemberton England...

Dutchie,

Do you have the following info from the 1891 census -- living at 42A Scots Field [not sure of this name -- handwriting is faint on image], Pemberton Lancashire in a 3-room dwelling:

Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship to head-of-house / Occupation
Lloyd, William 36 Flint, thintshire Head Coal Miner
Lloyd, Elizabeth 30 Pemberton, Lancashire Wife
Lloyd, Hugh 9 Pemberton, Lancashire Son Scholar
Lloyd, John 8 Pemberton, Lancashire Son Scholar
Lloyd, Dorothy 6 Pemberton, Lancashire Daughter Scholar
Lloyd, Charlotte 4 Pemberton, Lancashire Daughter Scholar
Lloyd, Jane E 2 Pemberton, Lancashire Daughter
Lloyd, William 11/12 Pemberton, Lancashire Son

Source information: RG12/3065
Registration district: Wigan
Sub registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Folio: 10
Page: 13

Trish

[Trish]

...George Atkinson Holland born Aug,26 1882 in Manchester England.

Could this be your HOLLAND household in 1891 at 16 Bury Street in Ashton under Lyne?

Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship to head-of-house / Occupation
Holland, William 36 HUNT Head Fire Beater
Holland, Ellen 30 duckinfield, Cheshire Wife Cotton Operative
Holland, Samuel 9 Mossley, Lancashire Son Scholar
Holland, George 7 Mossley, Lancashire Son Scholar
Holland, Fred 5 Mossley, Lancashire Son Scholar
Holland, Hannah 3 Mossley, Lancashire Daughter

Source information: RG12/3295
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Hartshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Folio: 125
Page: 9

[uksearch]

This may have nothing to do with your family,but Freebmd gives the birth of a Harold HOLLAND...Sept qtr 1907 Wigan 8c 37.

Pemberton was in the Wigan RD.

UK

[dutchie]

Thank you one and all for your help....the Lloyd information seems to jive with what I was able to ferret out myself...they actually had 13 children .....as an aside I live in Ontario Canada so as inviting as visiting the various record facilities might be...it is a costly venture...
Yes UK I have been eyeing that listing for Harold Holland....found one in Pontypool Wales for the same time and under the name Davies which we were lead to believe was the birth name...George Holland( my grandfather) was supposedly the biological dad as well as the one who raised him...along with Dorothy Lloyd, my grandmother.

To add further confusion to the mix Janet Lloyd and Dorothy Lloyd were sisters and were married to my grandads...George Holland and Charles Wall.

Is it possible for anyone to shed some light on the Wall family....lived at 55 Field Street...probably Droylsden for years and one daughter Cissie raised her daughter June there....could be from the early 1900's until the 60's or so...Also my grandad Charles Wall's family for the most part born and raised at 16 the Quadrant in Droylsden...know for sure they were there in 1944 and in 1965 when I was a youngster and met them...wife was Janet...children...Edith(my mom...emigrated to Canada as a war bride)..Albert, Geoffrey, Florence, Allan, Keith, Doris, Ernest and a baby Bernard who lived a very short time...

Well that's my immediate past in a nutshell...my parents died when I was 21 and 23 respectively and with them the answers to a lot of questions.....I appreciate this and for the little searching I have done, have found it addictive and fascinating( undercovered a second family in Princeton Bc...sired by my grandad Holland....not met them just know they exist).....Cheers and thanks again for any help'
Dutchie

[Trish]

You are most welcome, Dutchie. I neglected to mention to you that I did do a check for your WALLs but didn't see any given names that matched your list. I'll look again under Droylsden...

[Cissie must be short for something... Catherine, Charlotte, Clara... do you know?]

Okay, in the 1901 census there are the following names of people born after 1891: Charles [born c1888, lived at 12 Chapel St.], Edith, John, Joseph, Patrick, Richard -- all born and living in Droylsden. I believe almost all of them -- with the exception of Patrick -- were in the same family. Do any of these sound familiar to you?

Trish

[Trish]

...To add further confusion to the mix Janet Lloyd and Dorothy Lloyd were sisters and were married to my grandads...George Holland and Charles Wall....

Dutchie,

Do I have this right... if Dorothy and Janet Lloyd married your two [paternal and maternal?] grandfathers, then your parents were cousins?

I can't do a search easily by street unless it's in the 1881 census. You think 55 Field Street is in Droylsden? I know there's one in Everton but haven't found it anywhere else so far... a family named Shaw is living there in '81. Not much help, I'm afraid.

Trish

[dutchie]

Apparently Dorothy was not my dad's mom ....his father George was his dad but the mom was supposedly a domestic servant from Pontypool, Wales.
Charles Wall had Herbert, Ivy, Clara for sure as siblings..could have been more...I thought maybe Cissie was short for Sarah but can't confirm that...
Also I am not sure where Field street was located to be honest....only ever visited that part of England in 1963 or so when we lived there for a few months before deciding to stay in Canada....pretty sure I attended Fairfield Road School...although I understand its no longer there...I think my mom attended it as well and she was born in 1920... Thanks again for your help.

[Trish]

Apparently Dorothy was not my dad's mom ....his father George was his dad but the mom was supposedly a domestic servant from Pontypool, Wales.
Charles Wall had Herbert, Ivy, Clara for sure as siblings..could have been more...I thought maybe Cissie was short for Sarah but can't confirm that...

Well, your family tree sounds quite intriguing.

Could Hubert actually be the Herbert I can see in the same family as Charles in 1901? In case it helps you, here's a Charles WALL family living in a 4-room dwelling at 20 Eleaner or Eleanor Street in Droylsden [1891 for same family to follow...]:

Name / Age in 1901 / Birthplace / Relationship / Occupation
Charles Wall 30 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Head Labourer Engineers Works? [...this word is difficult to decipher]
Sarah J Wall 29 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Wife
Charles A Wall 5 Droylsden, Lancashire, England Son
Herbert Wall 3 Droylsden, Lancashire, England Son
John H Wall 9 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Son
Joseph Wall 1 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Son

Source information: RG13/3788
Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Folio: 152
Page: 14
Household schedule number: 75

[Trish]

[Apologies for the inevitable repeating text -- gremlins. Look only at the first and last households. Ignore the middle one -- it's wrong, but I can't get rid of it.]

Charles WALL's family living at 20 Ezard[???] Street in Openshaw, Lancashire:

Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship / Occupation
Wall, John 58 Wednesbury, Staffordshire Head [Widower] Portering[?] with Cart
Schofield, Charles 21 hooley hill, Lancashire Son-in-law Openshaw Lancashire
Schofield, Rachel A 19 openshaw, Lancashire Daughter Openshaw Lancashire
Schofield, John Robert 7 days openshaw, Lancashire Grandchild Openshaw Lancashire
Wall, Charles 20 openshaw, Lancashire Son Openshaw Lancashire Labourer Print[?]Works
Wall, Henry 1 openshaw, Lancashire Grandchild
Dibb, Faith 27 Clayton, Lancashire Boarder [Widow]

What's curious, given your George HOLLAND's middle name of Atkinson, is that there is an ATKINSON family living just up the street at 14 Ezard[???]. And it looks like the WALLs and the ATKINSONs have both taken in members of the DIBB family -- a young widow and her children. Maybe the two families are related...

Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship / Occupation
Atkinson, Julius 30 Bradford, Yorkshire Head Finisher [or Furnisher]
Atkinson, Grace 27 Clayton, Lancashire Wife
Atkinson, Ada 15 [age looks like 15 but probably 5] Openshaw, Lancashire Daughter Scholar
Atkinson, Annie 7/12 openshaw, Lancashire Daughter
Hunt, Sarah 68 Manchester, Lancashire Mother Nurse [the word "Sick" is written in a different hand following the word "Nurse"]
Dibb, Lewis 6 Manchester, Lancashire Boarder Scholar
Dibb, Grace 1 droylsden, Lancashire Boarder

Source information: RG12/3180
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 87
Folio: 19
Page: 30, 31