Trying to find out about an "Ancient" Mariner

[Colin Rowledge]

Well, maybe not so amcient!!

Within my family line is a "Mariner" who I suspect was born in Sweden. He was born about 1852. He came over to England on a ship possibly with another Mariner by the name of John Cook. John Cook had a daughter, Mary Elizabeth Jane and in June q. 1873 Mary and he were married in Phillack, Cornwall.
His name was Karl Oskar Ahlstedt, the son of Augustine Alexander Ahlstedt [a Watchmaker].
Their 1st child was born in Phillack in Dec. q 1873. Their 2nd and 3rd sons were born in Swansea so presumably the family moved there around 1877. William was born there in 1878 and in 1879 a son Alexander was born.

Sometime, either just before or just after the birth of Alexander, Karl Oskar died [how and where are unknown]

I've been given tips on genealogy sites for Sweden, but can find nothing on either Karl Oskar or Augustine Alexander.

Ideas, brilliant or otherwise would be most welcome.

Cheers
Colin

[JAP1]

Hi again Colin,

I hope you don't mind my giving the link to your other AHLSTEDT thread - it might save duplication of effort by B-G members.

It is at:
http://www.british-genealogy.com/for...ad.php?t=52597

Also I hope you don't mind if I make some comments re your post here ...

Is there anything to suggest that Karl Oskar AHLSTEDT, mariner, was on a ship with John COOK, mariner, father of Mary Elizabeth Jane ('Bessie') COOK who married Karl Oskar (his age given as 21) in 1873? To suggest so - unless you have evidence for this - seems to me to be drawing a very long bow.

Also, while we think their first child was reg Dec qtr 1873, Redruth, the birth cert hasn't been obtained yet.

Is there anything to support Sweden as Karl Oskar's birthplace? There seem to be AHLSTEDT records from many countries - yes, including Sweden but also Finland, Germany, Norway, etc ...

Re the move of the family to Swansea, and the death of Karl Oskar ...
The family could have moved to Swansea any time between Hugo's birth and William's birth (William's birth reg not yet found). And Karl Oskar might have died at any time between the conception of Alexander (his birth was registered in Swansea in Mar qtr 1879) and Bessie's appearance in Phillack as a widow in the 1881 census.

And finally it might be helpful to mention that there is an Adolf Bernhardt AHLSTEDT in Cornwall around the same time as Karl Oskar, and that he might well be a brother of Karl Oskar, but that his father is recorded (from his marriage in the IGI) as the similar, but slightly different, Alexander Auguste AHLSTEDT; Adolf's marriage cert has not been obtained so his father's occupation is not yet known.

I do hope that you don't think that I'm being too much of a pedant ...

Best of luck,

JAP

[JAP1]

Colin,

I wonder whether it might be worth posting your query on the Mariners List?

It is at:
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/MarinersList.html

At least they might be able to provide information about places to search re Scandinavian mariners and mariners from surrounding countries ...

JAP

[Colin Rowledge]

Nothing has come of my attempts to find more info on the Ahlstedt's prior to coming to England. I know that Karl Oskar was age 21 as stated on his marriage certificate. He does not appear anywhere on the 1871 census so presumably he arrived after that date. I have had someone check crew lists of Scandinavian ships arriving between May 1871 and May 1873 - nothing. His marriage was on the 4th of June 1873 and their 1st child was born later in 1873 in Phillack I have not ordered the birth certificate for Karl Hugo however as it will nort really help as the name that is shown on the registration appears to be the English naming - John Charle Hugh - and shown similarly in the register. There are no baptisms in Phillack, so it is possible he, along with Alexander Lateman born Swansea in 1879 were baptised in Wales or not at all.

We know that his wife described herself as a widow back in Phillack with 3 children - the 2 above + William on the 1881 census. No birth registration for William has been found so while that is a question mark, it isn't relevant at moment. No death certificate in the UK for Karl Oskar, so he was either dead or had deserted the family.

She married a Samuel Henry Osborne in 1886. He was a bachelor and she was a widow as noted and married in Redruth. By 1891 they were living in Phillack and she and Samuel had a 1 year old daughter.

So I know I have the right Karl Hugo as I have his marriage certificate to Anne Stephens Lugg and thei daughter Elizabeth Mary's birth and marriage cert. for her marriage to Frederick Charles Golley, my grandfather's brother.

What I'm trying to ascertain is:
1] When did Karl Oskar arrive in England?
2] What was the family doing in Swansea from 1876 - whenever ELizabeth left with 3 children
3] Where and when did he die?
4] Where was he born and the background on Augustine Alexander Ahlstedt?

[Peter Goodey]

What was his occupation? If you don't have census records, this will be shown on the marriage certificate and the birth certificates of the children,

[Colin Rowledge]

What was his occupation? If you don't have census records, this will be shown on the marriage certificate and the birth certificates of the children,

There are no census records for Karl Oskar. Karl Hugo's marriage to Mary Elizabeth Jane Cook listed both his father and her father's occupation as Mariners.

Is that what you needed, Peter?

[Colin Rowledge]

To clarify occupations of the player:
Augustine Alexander Ahlstedt - Watchmaker
Karl Oskar Ahlstedt - Mariber
John Cook - Mariner
Karl Hugo Ahlstedt - Unknown - was in Bodmin Jail at the time of the 1901 census. Was released and moved along with changing his name to Halstead. Have had no success in tracing him
William Ahltstedt - moved back to Wales in 1898, married Edith Haver Hoskin, was employed as a Carter and eventually had 8 children by 1909
Aleander Lateman Ahlstedt - moved to London in the late 1890's and married Isabella Richards. Had 4 children by 1909 and was a Wharf Crane Driver.
Samuel Henry Osborne - was a Tea Dealer

[Peter Goodey]

Thanks. I was wondering whether there might be a future in searching merchant navy records but was really hoping that he might have been an officer.

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks. I was wondering whether there might be a future in searching merchant navy records but was really hoping that he might have been an officer.

Hi Peter.

Given his age at time of marriage, I think he was just part of the crew on a cargo ship, plying either between Europe and Cornwall, or from the US to Cornwall. In viewing US records I've found several Ahlstedt's there, emanating from Sweden, but none fit Karl Oskar's profile.

Maybe this is more of a 'Brickwall', than an 'Occupations - General Forum' enquiry? If you agree maybe the mod's can move it over.

Colin

[MarkJ]

Your wish is granted Colin - thread moved to Brickwalls

Mark