George Borer

[Karen Newman]

The mothers name is Ann Borer and frustratingly her former name is very difficult to decipher possibly IDEMONGER.

Could it be IREMONGER? Crops up on various censuses, some to be found in Berkshire.

[Elma]

I think it is more like IDEMONGER but possibly ISEMONGER.
I will try and look up Iremonger, anything for another clue!
Thanks, Fingers crossed.
ELMA

[Elma]

Still battling with my Borer family. My great great grandfather was George Edward Borer, his middle name recorded on one of the childrens death certificates. At least that is something new! Originally I had him only on my great grandmothers marriage certificate.
I have found some probable siblings of my great grandmother Elizabeth Borer and one Ann Borer gives her mothers name as Ann Borer possibly Isemonger. It was so difficult to decipher that I have got some opinions and that is what I have come up with.
So George Edward Borer (possibly) married Ann Isemonger and possibly lived in France where three children were born. They then appear in Berkshire. Not a lot to go on.The children were
George born ? where in 1839
Elizabeth born France 1842
Victorine born France 1846
Victor born France 1848
Ann born Wokingham 1849
Abraham born ?where 1854
Of course Ann Isemonger may not be the mother to the older children and Abraham may not be mine but I have adopted him in desperation as he died in the workhouse where the others were. There must be a clue out there somewhere. I think I need to start again. Any more suggestions from any one will be gratefully accepted
ELMA

[Kerrywood]

Still battling with my Borer family.

Elma, are you aware there's a One-Name Study on BOORER/BORER?

Since the sad passing of Jim Ellis it's been taken over by another researcher. Google Guild of One Name Studies to find it (I can't post a direct link because they sell things )

Kerrywood

[Elma]

Elma, are you aware there's a One-Name Study on BOORER/BORER?


Kerrywood

I will look into that
Thanks
ELMA

[Vaigret]

Elma,
I know this is quite a time since you have posted on this but hoping you still watching. I have same George Borer as ancestor as yours and have some additional info.
Reply if you are interested
Vaigret

[Elma]

Hi Vaigret
Yes I am still very interested. you will see a lot of people here have helped me and this family has not been easy. Sadly the one name study that Kerrywood suggested to me was deleted after the authors death.
My G-G grandmother and her two siblings were born in France, where or why I do not know. At every turn the family puzzles me.
I would love to here anything you know. If you would prefer you can send a private message to me.
With thanks ELMA

[Annette7]

Having responded to a post on another forum regarding this Borer family I believe I have found the marriage of George and Ann i.e.

George Boorer married Ann Izemonger 12/2/1831 Ockley, Surrey (think this was probably Ann's parish).

I looked on the new familysearch (where I found the marriage) for any children baptised to a George and Ann Borer and found the following:

Marianne Borer bp.8/4/1832 Rudgwick, Sussex dau. of George and Ann
Eliza Borer bp.27/10/133 Rudgwick, Sussex dau. of George and Ann
James Boorer bp.11/10/1835 Oakwood, Surrey, son of George and Ann
George Edwin Boorer bp.27/1/1839 Oakwood Surrey, son of George and Ann

A George Borer bp.24/11/1811 Rudgwick, Sussex, son of Stephen and Mary (plus 7 siblings).

It would seem that after their marriage in Ockley, Surrey they returned to George's parish of Rudgwick, Sussex where 2 children born - then onto Surrey where 2 more children born (think that George Edwin was the George who died in Wokingham in 1854).
Sometime between 1839 and 1841 they go to France where a few more children born but by 1849 they were in Wokingham when a daughter Ann born. Looks like at least 2 more children born after then - Ruth c.1852 and Abraham c.1854 but whether this was in France again or in Berkshire is unknown. Abraham's death in 1859 shows he'd been abandoned by parents and as the rest of the family were scattered around looks as if George and Ann had abandoned the whole family and appear to 'disappear' altogether never to be seen again. The census shows Ruth believed she was born in Wokingham but no birth is registered for her or for her brother Abraham.

The marriage seems to be the key to this scenario and I feel sure it is the correct one. What are the odds of 2 other people with these same names marrying (both being extremely unusual)?

I have no connection to the family myself was just helping out on another forum which included a link to this posting. Thought I ought to let you know my findings on here too as this seems to have been a long ongoing problem.

Hope this helps.

Annette7

[Vaigret]

Hi Elma,
I note Annette has posted you what we have unearthed on another thread and I am confident it is all accurate. Now to my info/problem. My ancestor is a Ruth Borer who I am pretty sure is a member of your family although i can't find her birth. In fact all I have are the initials RB aged 8 amongst your Borer's in the 1861 census of Walgrave District School. Unfortunetly all the kids are shown by their initials in that census.
Ruth Borer married William Henry Beckingham on 13/7/1873 at St Lawrence church, Reading giving her age as 23 born Wokingham Berks. However insubsequent census she gives her age as born circa 1852. In your research did you come across her, can you give me any info from conception to her marriage as I am struggling. I have loads of info on her from her marriage to her relatives in the present which I will send you by pm if you like to hear.
Best Regards
Terry

[Elma]

Wow.
I was so excited when I read this thread last night I tried to reply and lost my response before sending it. I decided it was just too much excitement. So many thanks Terry and Annette7. I am so pleased with the information you have written.
The Borer family have been so difficult. I always have them on a back burner not quite knowing what to do with them. Now a few more pieces of the jigsaw.
The little information I have on the family came mostly from help on this website and so I will recap the family with this new information so anyone who has followed the thread can share my euphoria. I know I will have to check it.

So it looks like
Mary and Stephen Borer had a son George born c 1811 in Rudgwick, Sussex. George could be my G-G Grandfather.

George Borer then went onto marry Ann Izemonger in 1831 in Ockley, Surrey

Possible children of George and Ann include

Marianne Borer born Rudgwick, Sussex c1832
Eliza Borer born Rudgwick, Sussex c1833
James Boorer born Oakwood, Surrey c1835
George Edwin Boorer born Oakwood, Surrey c1839 Died in Wargrave Workhouse, Berkshire 1854
Elizabeth Borer born France c1843 My Great Grandmother
Victorine Borer born France c1846 Died in Wokingham, Berkshire 1866
Victor Borer born France c1848 Died in Wargrave Workhouse, Berkshire 1855
Ann Borer born Wokingham, Berkshire 3 March 1849
Ruth Borer born ? c1852
Abraham born ? 1854

This all looks very promising. My Great-grandmother Elizabeth records her birth place as France but on one census it says Horsham which would be in keeping with the family connections. Rudgwick was in the parish of Horsham some six miles away.
George born c1811 is recorded as George Edward on one of my certificates.
George Edwin born c1839 is recorded only as George on his death certificate.
This is probably not significant.
I have Great-Great Grandfather George born 1811 recorded as a brickmaker on three occasions. Wokingham had several brickworks which could have attracted him there. What he was doing with the family in France I do not know and why did he not appear to return to Oakwood or Rudgwick?

Terry I will send you a private message.
I am able to visit the Surrey record office at Woking and possibly the Berkshire one in the spring but I have been there several times and there are not many Wargrave Workhouse records left. I could try the Sussex one.

It is lovely to get information when you are least expecting it. Never give up hope.
Thank you again Annette7 and Terry. I hope you will find this website useful, it is very friendly and there are many helpful and knowledgeable members.
Well from one happy lady. The cat's got the cheese for sure
ELMA