A Geography question

[Colin Rowledge]

I have 2 Isaac Odgers born in March quarter 1885. One was born in Stithians and one in Redruth.

Can someone tell me how close Stithians is to Redruth?

Thanks
Colin

[Nicolina]

they are only about 4 1/2 miles apart.

[Colin Rowledge]

they are only about 4 1/2 miles apart.

Given the close proximity of the 2 places this could very be one and the same person. Could a look up census for 1891 and 1901 confirm the occupants of the residence.

Thanks
Colin

[Nicolina]

the 1891 Census has:
RG12/1845/110 Page 24
2, Hendra, Stithians, Kennal

ODGERS, Isaac Head Married M 31 1860 Tin Miner b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Elizth Emily Wife Married F 32 1859 b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Sophy Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Isaac J Son M 7 1884 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Mary Elizth Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Bennett Son M 4 1887 b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 65 1826 Living On Own Means b. Wendron, Cornwall

these are the only 2 Isaacs that I can find

[Nicolina]

the 1901 Census has:
RG13/2238/181 Page 2
Tresevern, St Stithians, Village

ODGERS, Elizth Emily Head Married F 43 1858 b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Isaac Joseph Son Single M 17 1884 Tin Miner b. Stithians
ODGERS, Mary Elizth Daughter F 15 1886 Factory Hand b. Stithians
ODGERS, Bennett Son M 14 1887 b. Stithians

Isaac senior doesn't seem to appear (maybe mis-transcribed)

there is also another one born 1886 who maybe be related

RG13/2238/187 Page 13
Treskewis, St Stithians, Village

PHILLIPS, El? Head Married F 43 1858 b. Stithians
PHILLIPS, Lillie Jane Daughter F 11 1890 b. Stithians
PHILLIPS, Joseph Henry Son M 8 1893 b. Stithians
PHILLIPS, Elizth Annie Daughter F 6 1895 b. Stithians
PHILLIPS, Edwin Charles Son M 1 1900 b. Stithians
ODGERS, Joseph Step Child M 16 1885 Stone Cutter b. Stithians
ODGERS, Isaac Step Child M 15 1886 Stone Cutter b. Stithians
ODGERS, Peter Step Child M 11 1890 b. Stithians

[Colin Rowledge]

the 1891 Census has:
RG12/1845/110 Page 24
2, Hendra, Stithians, Kennal

ODGERS, Isaac Head Married M 31 1860 Tin Miner b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Elizth Emily Wife Married F 32 1859 b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Sophy Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Isaac J Son M 7 1884 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Mary Elizth Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Bennett Son M 4 1887 b. Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 65 1826 Living On Own Means b. Wendron, Cornwall

these are the only 2 Isaacs that I can find

Hi Nicolina

Thanks for the above and your other post that followed [for 1901]

His is is definitely the Isaac Joseph born June quarter 1884 and son of Isaac and Elizabeth Emily. - nee Uren.

There is a second Isaac born in Redruth March quarter 1885 who may be the son of Joseph Odgers and Elizabeth Ann Dunstone.

A cousin compiled a family tree back in 2000 or earlier stating that Isaac born in January 1885 was the son of Isaac and Elizabeth Emily. She may have been meaning Joseph and Elizabeth Ann.

Both were married in the September quarter 1880 vol. 5c
Joseph and Elizabeth Ann are on page 338
Isaac and Elizabeth Emily are on page 333

Any chance of finding the family of Elizabet Ann and Joseph on the census for 1891 and 1901

Now you may know why I'm confused.

I've lost touch with cousin in the US and am hopeful that someone in the US may be able to tell me the information I'm likely to get on a US marriage certificate

Thanks

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

The weddings took place in Redruth and were possibly the same day

[Nicolina]

this one looks promising (though confusing)
1891 Census:
RG12/12/96 Page 30
27, Pickering Place, St Marys, Paddington
ODGERS, Joseph H Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Married M 35 1856 Drapers Assistant b. Cornwall
GRIFFITHS, John Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Single M 32 1859 Drapers Buyer b. Carnarvonshire
EDWARDS, John L Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Single M 23 1868 Drapers Assistant b. Carmarthenshire, South Wales
MEAD, Albert Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Single M 23 1868 Drapers Assistant b. Middlesex
PHILLIP, Jothan E Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Single M 24 1867 Drapers Assistant b. Carmarthen
JONES, David H Employees Of Mr Davis Draper Porchester Road Single M 20 1871 Drapers Assistant b. Merioneth North Wales

[Nicolina]

there is also another Joseph b. abt. 1869, a Tin Miner born Gwennap, Cornwall, who was a patient at the Miners Hospital, Penventon Terrace, Redruth.
One more that is old enough (probably too old) born in 1826.

[Nicolina]

on the 1901 Census:
RG13/7/13 Page 18
27, Denholme Road, Paddington
ODGERS, Joseph H Head Married M 45 1856 Drapers Asst b. St Stithians, Cornwall
ODGERS, Mary J R Wife Married F 45 1856 b. Penryn, Cornwall
ODGERS, Joseph H B Son Single M 14 1887 b. Penryn, Cornwall


RG13/2238/106 Page/12
Church Street, Gwennap, Village
ODGERS, Joseph Youlton Head Married M 57 1844 Grocer & Pork Dealer b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, Rebecca Wife Married F 55 1846 b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, Elizabeth Mabel Daughter Single F 25 1876 b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, Carrie Youlton Daughter Single F 17 1884 b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, William John Son Single M 10 1891 School b. Gwennap, Cornwall


RG13/2238/103 Page 5
Croft Row, Gwennap, Village
PELMEAR, William Head Married M 54 1847 Carter Chemical Works b. Gwennap, Cornwall
PELMEAR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 52 1849 b. Gwennap, Cornwall
PELMEAR, Joseph Sidney Son Single M 25 1876 Labourer Chemical Works b. Gwennap, Cornwall
PELMEAR, Emily Percie Daughter Single F 22 1879 Dress Maker b. Gwennap, Cornwall
PELMEAR, Ethel Daughter Single F 12 1889 School b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, Joseph Son-In-Law Married M 32 1869 Mining Engineer b. Gwennap, Cornwall
ODGERS, Katie Daughter Married F 29 1872 b. Gwennap, Cornwall


Elizabeth possibly died, although there are loads of "possibles". take your pick