LUKE SIMPSON CALLADINE

[sue2white]

Micky

How do you know they are sister's. Have you found them on a census together?

Sue

[sue2white]

Right! This is a bit confusing

Have found Sarah in 1901.

Name Age
George Dale 57 Head
George H Dale 11 Son
George Wheat 35 Son in law
Fanny Wheat 34 Step daughter - think she must be daughter
Ada M Wheat 12 Step daughter
Sarah E Wheat 9 Step daughter
Emma A Wheat 5 Step daughter Born Odd Rode Cheshire??
Daniel Wheat 3 Step son
George Wheat 1 Step son

Class: RG13; Piece: 3351; Folio: 27; Page: 16.

The relationships are usually to the Head of the household. I think the enumerator got a bit carried away with the step. I think the children belong to George & Fanny. No sign of Lillian.

Now I have found this Sarah

Name: Sarah Ann Wheat
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 778 (click to see others on page)

And the another one

Sarah Ellen Wheat
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Congleton
County: Cheshire, Staffordshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 306 (click to see others on page)

Are you absolutely sure that your grandfather married Sarah Ellen? Could it have been Sarah Ann? If so, I think you may have bought an incorrect birth certificate. If her marriage says her father is Clement and you know this is definitely her marriage, then you have the other Sarah's birth certificate.

But I cannot find Your Sarah or Lilian on the 1901 census.

ive found clement on the 1911 census remarried, he married a Emily in 1907 staffordshire also they have him down as a widower on there marriage Certificate

The death for Jane you found in 1911 would be 4 years to late but the age is right, or do you think he said he was a widower so he could get remarried?

Well! Who knows. Perhaps he was a bigamist! Anything is possible!

Sue

[sue2white]

Just found this on the IGI, which is the info you have.

Sarah Ellen Wheat
Christening: 27 DEC 1891 Odd Road, , Cheshire, England
Father: George Wheat
Mother: Fannie


No sign of a Sarah Wheat father Clement, but that might only mean the record has not been transcribed yet...or she wasn't christened.

Sue

[janbooth]

This looks like Gertrude in the 1861 census of South Normanton:

RG9/2425, folio 64, page 5
Birchwood Lane

Ann MARRIOTT Head W 58 Farmer of 39 acres Derbysh South Wingfield
John do Son U 36 Miller do South Normanton
Samuel do Son U 29 Ag Lab do do
Elizabeth do Daur U 27 do do
Hannah do Daur U 27 do do
William do Son U 24 Farmers son do do
Gertrude do Grand dau 6 Scholar do do
Richard do Grandson 2 do do

+ 2 Boarders

It looks to me as if Ann MARRIOTT who is down as the sister in law to Mark CALLADINE in the 1891 census is in fact Hannah MARRIOTT Gertrude's mother as the ages fit perfectly.

It looks as if Gertrude could have become Mary MARRIOTT in the 1871 census of South Normanton and is shown as a Domestic Servant living in the household of Samuel GILL and his wife Sarah at Church Street. Mother Hannah looks as if she is living with brother William (who looks as if he has inherited the farm), sister Elizabeth, brother John and William's nephews Richard & John - no Gertrude. By 1881 Gertrude has married Mark CALLADINE and is shown as Mary Gertrude in the census and they are living in South Normanton with children Rachel Ann, James W and Emily A.

According to Ancestry, Mark CALLADINE married in the December qtr 1873 at Mansfield reg district, vol 7b, page 138 and one of the other names on the page is that of Gertrude Mary MARRIOTT - the marriage certificate might make interesting reading!!

HTH further

Janet

[sue2white]

This is the bit I cant work out on Sarah's birth Certificate it as George and fanny wheat as her mother and farther which I think was clement's brother. Would you know a reason why they would put them down as her mum and dad?

I don't think so.

1891
Name Age
George Wheat 25
Fanny Wheat 24
Annie L Wheat 4 (Annie Joyce on IGI)
Ada M Wheat 2
Class: RG12; Piece: 2847; Folio 53; Page 26

1881

Name Age
John Wheat 48
Joyce Wheat 47
George Wheat 15
Daniel Wheat 13
Henry Wheat 10
Mary Wheat 7
Walter Wheat 5
Class: RG11; Piece: 3536; Folio: 62; Page: 30;

1871
Name Age
John Wheat 33
Joyce Wheat 37
Sarah A Wheat 12
George Wheat 6
Darrice Wheat 4
Henry Wheat 11 months
Class: RG10; Piece: 3706; Folio: 50; Page: 3;


This is not the same family as Clement.

On IGI
CLEMENT WHEAT
Birth: 1860 Longton, Stafford, England
Father: THOMAS WHEAT
Mother: MARY

George is in Cheshire, Clement is in Staffordshire.

Sue

[sue2white]

1861

Thomas Wheat 39
Mary Wheat 39
George Wheat 12
William Wheat 10
Elenor Wheat 8
Alfred Wheat 5
Sarah Ann Wheat 4
Clemont Wheat 1


RG9; Piece: 1944; Folio: 89; Page: 15

1871

Name Age
Thomas Wheat 48
Mary Ann Wheat 54
Elizabeth Cotton 19 Dau
Standal J Cotton 16 Son
Sarah Ann Wheat 15
Clemant Wheat 11

Class: RG10; Piece: 2877; Folio: 58; Page: 16

Cannot find Clement after this...away in the army?

Sue

[sue2white]

Just found this. Which Clement, I don't know

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Clement Wheat
Regiment or Corps: North Staffordshire
Regimental Number: 9442

Enrolled 21/9/14
Discharged 6/11/14 Cause of discharge...I cannot read.

Sue

[janbooth]

Further to what Sue has given you on his Medal Roll Card, Cause of Discharge looks to read:

Para.392 (XVI)
Med: Unfit

and he appears to have been a Sergeant.

HTH further

Janet

[MICKEYSKY]

hiya sue

found records on ancestry.co.uk just took it they were sisters as there were not many clement lewis wheats and sarah ellen had put clement lewis wheat as her father on her marrage certifcate
mickey

[sue2white]

This is the bit I cant work out on Sarah's birth Certificate it as George and fanny wheat as her mother and farther which I think was clement's brother. Would you know a reason why they would put them down as her mum and dad?

You have the wrong certificate. Looks as though your Sarah Ellen was not registered as this.

Have you got the census reference wuth Sarah & Lilian on together, as I can't find it.

Sue