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[janemilton0]

I am stuck does anyone have any info about Alfred leopold Franklin bon 1866 in Manchester Lancashire, mothers name Amalia, married Florence Mary (Thompson) had 5 children Leopold J, Lilas, Florence Leslie and Harold Victor. Hope someone can help because it is driving me crazy

[Lincoln Lad]

This could be them in 1881

Amalia Franklin, Head,Married, age 37, British subject, b Germany
Leopold Franklin, son age 17, b Manchester
Elisa Franklin, dau age 14, b London
Annie Franklin, dau age 12, b London
Agnes Franklin, dau age 10, b London
Beatrice Franklin, dau age 8, b London
Edgar Franklin, son age 3, b London

20 Gowlett Rd
Camberwell, London
G11; Piece: 676; Folio: 88; Page: 16

This image should be available on Familysearch.org

[nathan10]

I am stuck does anyone have any info about Alfred leopold Franklin bon 1866 in Manchester Lancashire, mothers name Amalia, married Florence Mary (Thompson) had 5 children Leopold J, Lilas, Florence Leslie and Harold Victor. Hope someone can help because it is driving me crazy

Yes I have some details of the Franklin family. My grandmother was one of Alfred Leopold's children. I have a few photos. I am stuck with Alfred's birth and parents. I have not used this site before so may be a bit slow but please be in touch...

[Waitabit]

Yes I have some details of the Franklin family. My grandmother was one of Alfred Leopold's children. I have a few photos. I am stuck with Alfred's birth and parents. I have not used this site before so may be a bit slow but please be in touch...

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[nathan10]

Alfred's parents were married in Manchester in 1863. Their original family name was Jackson or Jacksohn. Edgar Franklin was originally Edgar Jackson born in August 1878. The family name was changed to Franklin, close to Amelia's maiden name, by 1881 and remained Franklin after that.
If Jane Milton is still interested in this Franklin family, I have more details and would be pleased to share them with her. Please get in touch.
JB

[janemilton0]

Hi, yes I am still interested, I have not done a lot of searching this last few months but I am ready and eager to start again, so any info you have I would be very grateful for.
Thanks
Jane

[nathan10]

Hello Jane,
Thank you for getting in touch.
I have had big successes with the Franklin family in the last 6 months and have the census pages for 1861 & 1871. They were a struggle to find as there are no Franklins on any of them.
Amelia was from Prussia and her family name was Frankel. She married a William Bernhard Jacksohn in Manchester in 1863. He was also from Prussia - a Cap Maker or Hatter. By 1871 the couple were in Bermondsey listed as Jackson. By 1881 the name had changed to Franklin and William had disappeared. He may have died in the mid 1880s but I have not found confirmation of this yet.
The 1881 census transcripts have a couple of errors, at least. Eliza was in fact Elvera or Elvira and Beatrice was Bertha. If you have the 1881 census you can almost make the names out but some of the writing is very faint. But Edgar Franklin had a daughter whose middle name was Elvera which is sort of reassuring.
Elvera or Vera married in 1890 but died in child birth in 1892. Bertha died in 1913. Amelia lived on to 1926 and died in New Cross while living with her daughter Annie – Annie Matthew.
I presume you have some of this from census reports? I have some certificates to confirm my research. I am happy to send on what I have but would be interested to know how or if you are related to the family – presumably one of Alfred’s sons?
Alfred Leopold Franklin was my Great great grandfather. His daughter, Florence Marie, was my mother’s mother. My mother died 35 years ago and I knew next to nothing of her Franklin family until two years ago.
I found Alfred Leopold Franklin’s family after visiting his home in Leicester, Aylestone. My mother was married from the house in 1945, although she came from Coventry. The current residents gave me copies of house paperwork with many Franklin names. I then found the family living in Wallasey, Cheshire in 1911. Previously they had been in Southport in 1901 and East Dulwich in 1891, close to Amelia’s home.
I have pieced together a little about the family up to 1945 but not very much. They seem to be on the move all the time so I would be interested to know how you or your family fit in?
I will try to attach a copy of the 1871 census so you will judge if I am on the right track.
Not being familiar with this site, I would actually prefer to use email direct or the occasional phone call even. Still, please give me some idea of where you fit in, what you know already and what you would particularly like me to send you first. I have census pages, some registrations certificates (but not scanned yet) and a handful of pictures of the Franklin family. I only have two pictures where I can’t identify the subjects but I think they are Franklins and you may possibly recognise them?
Hopefully I can fill in some of you gaps and you can fill in some of mine…
Oh and do you need to know about the Thomson family? John Thomson from Dundee and Mary Clark Davidson born in Norfolk with parents from North Shields! I have some information on them and know Bermondsey & the Old Kent Road more now than I did a few months ago.
Hope there is something interesting above for you and it hasn’t gone on too long.
Please get back to me soon.
All best wishes


JonB
jon DOT broughton AT talktalk DOT net
Sorry Jane but I am not skilled enough to attach my census image - I need a URL?
So if you can email me I can reply and attach it without any problem.

[janemilton0]

Hi, thank you very much for that information. At the moment I am not in the uk so I have not got any information that I have uncovered with me. I am due back at the end of March so I can send you what I have on the Franklin family. My grandad on my mothers side was Harold Victor ( father was Alfred Leopold and mother Florence Mary)
If you can email me anything I would be grateful as you have renewed my interest and I can't wait to look at my information again
Thanks

[nathan10]

Hello Jane,
I only have a little about Harold Victor and you must know more than I do.
I have a portrait of either Leopold John or Harold Victor in a sailor suit taken in Peckham before 1900. It could be either brother but probably not Leslie Trevor or Kenneth.
Harold Victor was with his parents in Wallasey in 1911 and went with them to Leicester.
I have copies of army ‘Card Indexes’
He joined the army in May 1915 and served in France as a Lieutenant.
His address after the war was 40,Evington Drive in Leicester, his parent's home. This was 1920 when he was applying for his medals
A third card index doesn’t show much more than the name Franklin HV, rank and a date.
I found his appointment to Lieutenant in the London Gazette and have a little copy of that.
There may have been more than on HV Franklin in the Norfolk Regiment.
I have a portrait photo of a Captain in the Norfolk Regiment that I think is Harold Victor Franklin. It is very nice showing a confident & handsome young man with a moustache. He must have become a Captain, at some stage, but I have found nothing about this…
I don’t know who or when Harold married, so you will be able to help me there. There seemed to be several possibilities.
In 1945 Harold Victor was running a pub in Handsworth Birmingham and my mother mentions going from Snow Hill station, to the Bulls Head. I think Harold provided drinks & the glasses for my mother’s wedding reception and they were taken from Birmingham to Leicester by uncle Leo from Bristol. Her Franklin uncles were good fun helping with the wedding preparations and providing cigarettes! I have a couple of wedding pictures that are small and not well focused but you may be able to spot Harold in the group, if you have pictures from that period.
Harold’s father died in 1936. Florence Mary died in 1946 and the house in Belvoir Drive, Aylestone was sold. The house was purchased by Lilias and her husband Joseph Thomas in the mid 1920s but Joseph died and the Franklins moved in, I guess. It was certainly Alfred Leopold’s address when he died. Lilias died in 1944 and the house passed to her mother. The legal papers for the sale of the house summerises the Will of Florence Mary Franklin and mentions her children
• Leopold John in the General Draper Hotel in Hotwells (Bristol)
• Harold Victor at the Bulls Head in Villa Road Handsworth,
• Florence Marie Pointer , Coventry – my grand mother – died in 1950
• Leslie Trevor
• Kenneth and Engineer the executor.
My mother seemed to favour her Franklin family but into the 1950s there seems to have been no contact. I don’t think I knew the Franklin name until a few years ago but I knew the street that they lived in because my mother would talk to my father, when I was very young, and Belvoir Drive was often mentioned.
I wonder if anything has come down to you that may explain this? I sort of assume my parents came to Essex and just lost touch over the time. There may have been too may sad memories of people my mother loved dying and she needed to move on…
I am happy to wait until March or April to take things further. I may have figured out how to attach things when using this method of communication. But hopefully you have my email and that is easier for me. The picture of Captain of the Norfolk Regiment will be worth waiting for – if you don’t have a copy already of course…
Hope I am not going on too long with my message. Please be in touch again before March/April. I am sure we will have a great deal to discuss.
Best wishes

JonB

[alekarm]

Hello, I just found my great grand mother here! her Name is Agnes Gertrude Franklin, she married in 1907..
Marriage.
June 30th 1907
The Parish Church Of St George, Camberwell.
Herbert George HESTER, 37, Bachelor, Occupation: Porter
Of: 27 Coleman Road.
Father: John Henry HESTER - Bootmaker
To:
Agnes Gertrude FRANKLIN, 35, Spinster,
Father: William FRANKLIN, (deceased) Occupation: Painter

Witnesses: John Henry HESTER
Amelia COLLETT

I have found the census for Herbert George Hester 1911 too:

RG14/Piece 2524/Schedule No. 13

Minnie Sarah HESTER, Dau, b. Peckham

From Herbert Georges Army records the following birth dates are given for the three children in his care.

Lilian 12.5.1904
Herbert 4.5.1908
Minnie 7.2.1911

Herbert Henry HESTER marries Florence B. YOUNG in 1932, Camberwell Surrey.
Two Children of Herbert and Florence:

Agnes Gertrude Franklin's First Daugther story:

Lilian Gertrude Franklin was an illegitimate child herself, born in Camberwell /Peckham on the 12th of May, 1904 naming Agnes Gertrude Franklin as her mother, residing at that time at 42 , Kirkwood Road , Peckham .
Agnes always maintained that lily was son of a Oxford University Don!

Lilian Gertrude Franklin story:
I am trying to assist my Father in locating any living relatives. Peter Norman Franklin was born at the Salvation Army's Mothers' Hospital in Clapton, in Hackney on February 19th 1928 and has just turned 83. His mother was Lilian Gertrude Franklin, an

Outfitters Assistant. She had worked as a shop assistant in Lambeth, residing in 1928 at 26, Camden Road in Peckham .

No fathers name is stated, although I have been led to believe he was a tailor, possibly named Joseph N Wheatly (or Wheatley), of 1 Grove Lane, Camberwell.

Lilian Gertrude Franklin went on marry Charles Arthur Hall in All Saint’s Church in Peckham South London , Camberwell on the 31st of August 1931, both residing at 5a /59 Willowbrook Road at that time.

Children of Lilian FRANKLIN and Charles HALL
Philip C. HALL b. 1931 Lambeth (died accident at work)
Robin G. HALL b. 1934 Lambeth (died 4 months old)
V. G. HALL b 1938 Lambeth ( I am trying to find any info about her)

I just got a letter saying she probably have more children! and has been married few times!! so my search for any living relatives become more hard, as I have 5 years into this search with the hope of any more information, Photos etc...

My Fathers name was Peter Norman Franklin (b.1928) and he was adopted on the 15th of April 1931 from Hutchinson House , (F.B. Meyers Established )

Orphanage moving to Heaton Norris in Stockport , following a newspaper appeal to re-home him and became Peter Norman Smith .

Sorry for this very confusing replay but I have all the documentation too! so I am happy to share anything with you guys!
I will love to know where Agnes gertrude Franklin is Burried?? and Lilian Gertrude Franklin too!

If you have more to tell me about them please help me to fin anything or any living relatives cause Peter has overcome the feelings of abandonment and has now become curious to learn more about his heritage, and would like something positive to relay to his family, Wife, Daughter and four grandchildren, which will subsequently eradicate the negativity, he commenced his life with.


I would be very gratefull if you please get in contact with me as I am trying to put together the family tree of a family member who was adopted in London 1930's and is still alive but with no Idea of any relatives.
Thank you!,
Alexandra