James John Harvey

[terryharvey2005]

Hi
I am stuck with a the death of James John Harvey.
information I have as follows.

birth not 100% sure 1858 in st george in the east
married Catherine Dee 1879 st george in the east, age given as 20
1901 census living at sage st, Shadwell spelling mistake on name James Harrey age given as 40.
He is deceased on his son's marriage cert in 1918
I have a death cert for James John Harvey in 1909 gives age as 44, but informant is resident officer The city infirmary Bromley (which I assume is Bromley by Bow as the district is Poplar). Not convinced that it is him as occupation is a domestic groom and I know that he was a dock laborer

Is there a way to confirm this as him or maybe it is not him and he died maybe abroad in the first world war.

I have given up a number of times on this and I would love some help as I keep coming back to this year after year.

many thanks

terry

[sue2white]

Is this him in 1881?

James Harvey
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catharine
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St George in The East
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Bowyers Building
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dock Labourer

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St Mary


Name Age
James Harvey 22
Catharine Harvey 22
Daniel Harvey 2
James Harvey


RG11; Piece: 452; Folio: 80; Page: 27;

Sue

[terryharvey2005]

yes that is him

terry

[Raffaele]

To find a John Harvey with a wife Catherine on the 1911 census I had to revert to +/- 5 years on his birth and the only one I could find was in Sunderland.

Does not prove anything, but does add to the case that the 1909 death could be yours.

What happened to Catherine I think could be more helpful. Why did the resident officer report the death and not Catherine. The infirmary was probably also the work house so I would not assign too much accuracy to the age or occupation.

[terryharvey2005]

To find a John Harvey with a wife Catherine on the 1911 census I had to revert to +/- 5 years on his birth and the only one I could find was in Sunderland.

Does not prove anything, but does add to the case that the 1909 death could be yours.

What happened to Catherine I think could be more helpful. Why did the resident officer report the death and not Catherine. The infirmary was probably also the work house so I would not assign too much accuracy to the age or occupation.

thanks
just to be clear it is James John Harvey and not John Harvey as you stated thanks for your help

[Peter Goodey]

The city infirmary Bromley

That will be the City of London Union Infirmary..

You could check to see if any useful records have survived.

[terryharvey2005]

That will be the City of London Union Infirmary..

You could check to see if any useful records have survived.

thanks Peter
would that be at London Metropolitan Archives

terry

[Raffaele]

James John Harvey and not John Harvey

Just one with James not John. He is in Shepton Mallet.

[terryharvey2005]

Just one with James not John. He is in Shepton Mallet.

ok thanks for looking

terry

[Mutley]

Have you tried looking to see if there is a James or James John with a father (you have a name from the marriage certificate) and who is a groom in the earlier census?

In 1861 there is a James born 1858 in St. George in East and another in Stepney, to name just two. If they grow up to be a groom then the death certificate you have may belong to them.

I am slightly confused,
you say he was born in St. George in the East and the 1861 and 1881 census says born in Ireland.

If you think he may have died in WW1 have you looked at the Commonwealth War Graves site?

There is a medal card for a James John Harvey, served with the 17th London Regiment, RI Rifs. Number 7220, 43229. He was discharged on 31.1.1919