Problem tracing a marriage?

[Workhorse]

I wonder if anyone out there can help me please.
I am trying to trace the marriage details of James Read, a Paper Hanger, and Ann Read.
The census is for this information is: 1881.
RG No. HO107, Piece: 682, Book/Folio: 10/6, Page: 6

I want to establish that Ann Read - 1791 and Ann Read - 1827 are indeed Ann's and not Amy's.
On a Parish Record Collection 1538-2005 baptism, it shows an Amy Palmer Read DOB 1827, Father, James, a Paper hanger, and her Mother as Amy.
This information was from Dockland Ancesters Ltd, Entry No. 934, Source Ref: NX024/002

On 1861 Census.
RG09 Piece: 302 Folio: 5 Page 16 it shows Amy married to Thomas Wood, and I think this Amy is Amy Palmer Read, married 1848.

Does any of this make sense.

[Geoffers]

I wonder if anyone out there can help me please.
I am trying to trace the marriage details of James Read, a Paper Hanger, and Ann Read.
The census is for this information is: 1881.
RG No. HO107, Piece: 682, Book/Folio: 10/6, Page: 6

Are you sure this is 1881? If it is then the class reference should be RG11.

HO107/682/10 f6 p6 looks like an 1841 census reference to me.

On a Parish Record Collection 1538-2005 baptism, it shows an Amy Palmer Read DOB 1827, Father, James, a Paper hanger, and her Mother as Amy.

There may be problems caused by transcription error, either modern or historically. A schedule may have been difficult for the enumerator to read and he entered what he thought was correct. A cleric may have made an error in transcribing detail into a register from a day book.

Looking for marriages pre-civil registration is made more difficult as there is no central index. To get an idea of where to look check census returns for where the mother is shown as being born? The same for the children.

[Mutley]

Does this make any sense?

Well eeerm! I am trying to establish the family.

The census ref you gave for 1881 is indeed as Geoffers says 1841.
James 1801
Ann 1791
Ann 1827
James 1829
Adelade 1831
Mary 1833
William 1837
John 1839
Dorothy 1771
All born ( except Dorothy) and living in the County of Middlesex
But there is also another James Read married to an Anne born 1801 in Middlesex living in Westminster. Also a couple of others slightly older or younger. None seem to have had an Amy. In fact.... where is she?

Have you found them in 1851? I am struggling. I think Adelaide is a Servant working in St. Pancras.

Could this be James in 1861?
James born 1801 in Strand, a Master Painter with Mary born 1796 in Margate and John Adley Read born 1840, St Pancras
RG9; Piece: 108; Folio: 62; Page: 47

I'll keep digging

[Workhorse]

Not sure. In the 1851 Census I have found the following:

Thomas Wood: 1826
Ann Wood: 1829
Louisa Wood: 1850

With John Read: 1839 as a visitor.

Class: HO107, Piece:1502, Folio: 37, Page: 67

I also have a marriage certificate for "Thomas William Wood and Amy Palmer Read" Dated: November 7th 1848

[Waitabit]

The original scan for Amy Palmer Read on marriage 11-307
Dec. 1848 definitely reads AMY not Ann.

[janbooth]

According to the IGI, there are the following extracted baptisms at Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney all with parents shown as James & Amy:

1 July 1827 Amy Palmer READ
30 August 1829 James William READ
25 September 1831 Adelaide READ
27 October 1833 Mary READ
13 December 1835 Elizabeth Dorothy READ
6 August 1837 William Henry READ

These all fit in very well with the 1841 census records with the exception of 2 Ann's instead of 2 Amy's. My guess would be that the census records have been filled in incorrectly and should be Amy instead of Ann in both cases. The fact that you also have a John READ of the correct age to be Amy's brother visiting Thomas & Amy in the 1851 census also points to the family in the 1841 census being the correct family.

The family that Mutley found in the 1861 census of St Pancras are living in Grays Inn Lane district which is where James, Paper Hanger & family are living in the 1841 census, plus you have a son John of the correct age in both these census records, so again the likelihood is that this is the same family.

Janet

[janbooth]

Further to the above, there is an extracted birth/baptism on the IGI of a James READ on 26 Sep/19 Oct at St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, father James mother Dorothy - could this be the Dorothy in the 1841 census living with James, Paper Hanger. If so, there is a sibling Mary Ann Jane REED 16 Aug/2 Sep 1798 at St Martins.

This looks like son James William READ in the 1861 census of Islington:

RG9/144, folio 73, page 54
Paradise Court

James W READ Head Mar 32 Paper Hanger Middlx Spitalfields
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 32 do Enfield
James W do Son 9 Scholar do Islington
Henry do Son 7 do do do
Fanny E do Daur 4 do do do
Charlotte E do Daur 6 mo do do

Adelaide READ looks as if she married a George PHIPPS in the March qtr 1866 at Islington reg district and he looks as if he must have been a widower as the family are in Gray, St Pancras in the 1871 census where George is described as a Carman (Paper Maker).

HTH further

Janet

[Workhorse]

What is "IGI"?

[Mutley]

It is know by many names.
International Genealogical Index
The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints.
LDS
The Mormons.
Utah or Salt Lake City.
Family Search

Millions of names, christenings and marriages from parish registers throughout the world.

[Workhorse]

Thank you for your help in hopefully resolving this query.


James