Lookup please: where did she drive from?

[JohnF]

Lilian Driver 1911- 1985
Born 14 Sep 1911 Scotswood Road, Newcastle on Tyne
Chr 8 Nov 1911 Benwell Dist (entry 280 book 13)
Died 26 Aug 1985

Born Newcastle, moved age 7 to Southampton then to Erith
Married Esdel Blanchard 22 Aug 1936

Who were her parents and grandparents?
Many thanks
John

[michaelpipe]

Referring back to your other thread, ( https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...ad.php?t=47074 ) do I assume that you know that this Lilian is the correct ancestor? If so, then it appears from the GRO Birth Index that her Mother's maiden name is Young

GRO Birth Reg Lilian Driver, Dec Qtr 1911 Newcastle T Reg Dist, Vol 10b Page 14, mother's maiden name Young.

This takes you back to the parents marriage (on the other thread):
March Qtr 1910 S Shields Reg Dist Vol 10a Page 1222
Matthew Driver
Lillian Young

and then onto the 1911 census (also on the other thread):

3 Whitfield Road, Delavel Benwell, Newcastle on Tyne
Matthew Driver, married, age 26, Iron Turner, b Renfrew, Scotland
Lilian Driver, married, age 25, b Durham, Hebburn
Sybella Driver, daughter, age 8 mths, b Durham, Hebburn

Perhaps you have been chasing the wrong Matthew.

[JohnF]

Yes Michael, many thanks.
Exactly the thought I was having. So now we are back at the beginning with my wife's mother. Who WERE her parents? Not anyone with Turnbull in their name?

Starting afresh (without my biassed opinions!) you have found the truth!
Let's hope so. Never has on document (the embroidery sampler) lead to so many false trails!
John

[JohnF]

Michael
We celebrated her birthday each year on 14 Sept
So how did BMD get Dec quarter?

Can you be born Sept and registered October?

Yes, she did have an older sister Sybella born abt 1910
John

[michaelpipe]

Are you saying that this Lilian b 1911 is your wife's mother? You have to start with a fact that you know, and can document. This will then enable others, or yourself, to search back further.

Stabbing in the dark for random Matthews and Lilians can be very misleading and rarely productive.

So let us know an actual fact that you can substantiate, and we will try to follow it from there. We would like to help you out, but need to know where to start.

[JohnF]

Dear Michael
Oh I thought you had solved it! I was (and am) full of praise.

Sorry I gave the impression I doubted my Wife's Mother. How did I do that?

I have her on my Wife's birth cert - but indeed ANYTHING can be wrong.
I just thought we'd best start there - as the alternative is to start with me.
I SEEM to be here but know not who my Father was (bless his heart: I knew him well). But we could start with me { ;<D) and assume the records are right.

Your researches have been FAR more non-self-contradicting than mine. To not-contradict is as near the truth as we ever get and I find what you found for me totally convincing and thank you very much

What worries you about it? - other than this Driver might not be my wife's mother: which is possible - but the only contradiction we have is 14 Sept birthday vs BMD (assumed transcription error) of last quarter 1911

I know it was 14 Sept as we gave her presents each year on that day, blew out candles etc. Or maybe like the Queen she celebrated her birthday NOT on her birthday: but in this case told nobody. Or more likely the registration date was a lie - maybe for fear of "being late" reporting.
John

[Geoffers]

We celebrated her birthday each year on 14 Sept
So how did BMD get Dec quarter?
Can you be born Sept and registered October?

Yes, you have six weeks to register a birth. So someone born in August could still be in the December quarter; however...........

We celebrated her birthday each year on 14 Sept

Which can be incorrect, which is why even with recent events you need to proceed carefully.

I have her on my Wife's birth cert

From that have you then been able to trace her parents marriage certificate? This is the next document needed in the paper trail.

[JAP1]

1901 Scotland census
804 Rutherglen Road, Hutchesontown, Govan Glasgow, Lanarkshire
DRIVER
Hugh 41 Head Marine Engineer b Glasgow
Sybella 41 Wife b Liverpool
Hugh 19 Son Apprentice Engine Fitter b Glasgow
Matthew 17 Son Apprentice Iron Turner b Govan
Archibald 15 Son Message Boy b Glasgow
Jessie 12 Daughter Scholar b Glasgow
Sybella 10 Daughter Scholar b Glasgow
Charles 5 Son b Glasgow

1891 Scotland census
150 Stockwell Street, Glasgow St Enoch, Lanarkshire
DRIVER
Hugh 33
Isabella (sic) 33
Matthew 7
Archibald W
Jessie S

1881 census - listed in both England & Scotland
Vessel 'Thames' - at sea at midnight; Lat 48, 30 N; Long 6, 20
Hugh DRIVER, unmarried, 23, fireman b Glasgow

1871 Scotland census
Glasgow Reformatory Institution and Boys' House of Refuge
High Church, Glasgow Springburn, Lanarkshire
Hugh DRIVER, 12, youthful offender, b Glasgow

A possible birth for Hugh.
Hugh DRIVER b 6 May 1858, Anderton Glasgow Lanarkshire, parents Hugh DRIVER and Margaret WALLACE.

Regards,

JAP

[JohnF]

Thank you Geoffers

From my Wife's birth cert we learn that her mother is Lilian (one l, so they got that right!) Blanchard, formerly Driver and my Wife's Father is Estell (two errors in Esdel) Blanchard.

Lilian Driver told me she was born in Newcastle, moved when age 7 to Southampton, then (as a teenager) to Erith and met her future husband at Brixton in S London.

Then all the wild goose chases begin.
So I thought rather than repeat these errors this would be a good start point for a fresh search.
John

[Geoffers]

From my Wife's birth cert we learn that her mother is Lilian (one l, so they got that right!) Blanchard, formerly Driver and my Wife's Father is Estell (two errors in Esdel) Blanchard.

Estell/Esdell - an unusual name and a godsend to family historians. Have you been able to locate the marriage certificate for Lilian? (To confirm her dad's name and occupation, age, marital status and names of witnesses).