Palmer family - Boston

[liza99]

Hello everybody

Got back to 1841 census but can't get any further with my Palmer ancestors as neither the marriage of the parents nor any of the baps are on IGI.

Can anyone find them on parish records please?

Details are as follows from 1841/51 censuses:-

William Palmer born c1801 Boston, gardener
Elizabeth ....., born c1803 Heckington
Elizabeth born c1829 place unknown
Ann c1830 Boston
John c1832 Boston
Edward c1835 Boston
George c1838 Boston
William c1840 Boston
Mary Ann c1842 Boston
Sarah c1845 Boston

There is also Edward Palmer, a cousin born c1826 Boston, mariner, with them on 1851 census.

On 1841 the family are living in Hospital Bridge Road, Boston. In 1851 they are in Bargate End, Boston. Name on 1851 is mistranscribed as 'Salmen'.

Ann is my great grandmother. She married Thomas Streets in Boston 19/2/1854 at Zion Chapel, West St, Boston.

I have traced Ann & Thomas's family forwards, but would now like to trace Ann's family further back. I hope this info is enough to be able to make some progress.

Thank you and best wishes

Liza

[Diane R]

Good afternoon Liza
Just a couple of things - a typing error for William's wife should it be Frances and when I look on 1851 Edward Palmer's age looks more like 65, but if he is a cousin 25 would be more likely? The normal assumption would be that the marriage (is there was one) would have taken place in Heckington. We are going to Lincolnshire Archives Thursday, so I will look in Boston for Palmers around 1801 and for marriage in Heckington 1826-1830. There are a missing few years for Boston from 1802 to 1814 in the IGIs, hopefully that will not be because the pages were missing.
There are Palmers in Boston earlier than 1800 and at least 9 families he could have belonged to, so I hope I will be able to pin him down for you
Diane R

[liza99]

Hello Diane R

Thank you very much for replying.

Sorry about the mistake. Wife is definitely Frances.
I hadn't looked too closely at 'cousin' Edward's age. Transcription says 25 but I think it is incorrect, looks like 65 to me. He is a cousin of William senior so would be closer to William's age. Well spotted!

I have just had someone look at Heckington parish records. They tell me there is no marriage there, nor baptisms for any of the children. So Frances's family could have moved to live in Boston.
They said a possible maiden name for Frances is 'Burrell', the only baptism for a Frances in 1803/4. Would need marriage record to confirm.

Frances's age on censuses is rather volatile - 35 on 1841, 47 on 1851, 59 on 1861 (on her own lodging in Boston), 68 on 1871 (with son William 29, mariner, & daughter Sarah 27). On 1861 & 1871 she is a widow so William senior must have died 1851-1861.

I only have William on 1841 census age 35 & 1851 census age 50, so his birth year may be a little suspect as well.

It would be great if you could have a look for them at Lincolnshire Archives. Hope this additional info helps.

Thank you, much appreciated.
Liza

[Pam Downes]

Hi Liza and Diane,
I don't have access to any PRs, but the LFHS marriage index for Holland East deanery 1700-1837 says that a William Palmer married a Fanny Burril 14 June 1827 in Fishtoft.
That will hopefully cut down a bit of searching.
Pam

[liza99]

Hi Pam

This is great. Confirms the Burrell maiden name for Frances & the marriage date looks just right.
Just checked a map & found Fishtoft is not far from Boston.

Thank you very much.
Liza

[Diane R]

Good morning Liza
I am sorry to say I did not get on too well. I had some documents for our own research that I had ordered and did not have too much time after that. Parts of Boston records are written in a neat but tiny hand, so you really need time to look at them. I will have another go next time we are at LA. Before we went I tried to look at the family on 1861. I found Frances as a widow and George and William who all put Boston as their place of birth. I also found a possiblility for Edward, but he puts Wisborough, which is just up the coast from Skegness, as the place of birth. As Edward born 1886 and William put Boston as their birth place, I think we will find them baptised there.
There is a John Palmer on the IGI son of William and Francis at Frithville, which is above Boston born Sept 1832 and maybe your John. All the others born at Frithville are children of John and Elizabeth and the records only start at 1823. There is a John Palmer who married Elizabeth Kime 5/4/1821 Freiston and may have been born himself 1797 Boston and possibly related to William and why he was there for a while. I think the family may have moved around a bit before settling in Boston. Did you find any trace of Elizabeth and Mary Ann on 1861?
There is an Edward Palmer on IGI bap 1779 to William and Mary, but that is a bit early. If I can find William's baptism I think he will link in to one of the Boston Palmer families. Sorry you will have to wait for the next installment.
Diane R

[MarkJ]

Frances's age on censuses is rather volatile - 35 on 1841, 47 on 1851, 59 on 1861 (on her own lodging in Boston), 68 on 1871 (with son William 29, mariner, & daughter Sarah 27). On 1861 & 1871 she is a widow so William senior must have died 1851-1861.

I only have William on 1841 census age 35 & 1851 census age 50, so his birth year may be a little suspect as well.

Remember that the 1841 census tended to have ages rounded DOWN to the previous 5 year period - so someone who was perhaps 39, almost 40, would be listed as 35.
If possible, it is best to pick a later census - e.g the 1851 - as a base line to work from.

Not every enumerator followed the advice of course - and some got it completely wrong anyway!

Mark

[liza99]

Hello Diane

Thank you very much for looking things up for me. I am happy to wait until you have more time at the LA. and hope you will find something then.

In the meantime I will have a dig around on IGI & censuses for other clues.

I haven't done much on looking for William & Frances's children on later censuses. I found Frances 68 widow with William 29 mariner & Mary Ann 27 domestic servant on 1871. They are living at 8 Ashill Row Skirbeck. It's not clear from my notes but Mary Ann may have given place of birth as Skirbeck.

On 1861 the family are fragmented.
Frances 59 widow, nurse, lodging with Gollings family Boston
Mary Ann 17 servant with Perrin family, Lincoln. Says born Boston, so could be her.
William 21 boarder with Parker family Bishop Wearmouth Durham.

Not sure about William, & don't have George. Could you tell me what you found for them please.

I don't have Elizabeth after 1841. She may have married. There is a marriage 1850 Qtr3 Boston, but I have not looked into potential marriages for any of them yet.

This could be John on 1851 -
John 21 visitor to Stanton Bass at Sutton St. Mary

There is an Edward Palmer on 1871 born Skirbeck with a family but no wife.

That's it for my bits of knowledge so far. I'll see what else I can find.

Thanks again.
Liza

[Geoff Everitt]

Marriage 8 July 1850 at Boston
William WRIGHT (son of William) to Elizabeth PARKER (dau of William)

See Boston Spreadsheet here http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html

[liza99]

Thanks for this Geoff.
Useful index!

Regards
Liza