Alf Wormald 1870-1931

[MichaelH]

This has proved a real stumper. My grandfather was a fisherman and so I guess may have missed some censuses. I have a wedding cert from 1922 in Grimsby Lincs that gives his father as John Arthur Wormald, a plumber. But as far as I know Alfred was born in Leeds or Hull and certainly spent time in both but no sign of him or of a John Arthur either. Any ideas gratefully received.

[Geoffers]

My grandfather was a fisherman and so I guess may have missed some censuses. I have a wedding cert from 1922 in Grimsby Lincs that gives his father as John Arthur Wormald, a plumber

Just double-checking - the title of the the thread refers to Alf Wormald 1870-1931 and you appear to refer to him being married in 1922 (aged approx 52). Is this correct? Was this a second marriage? If so, was he widowed or divorced? Were the witnesses to the wedding related? Did Alfred Wormald have any other known forenames?

[Karen Newman]

How sure are you on 1870 and 1931? Checked the death regs (to see what age was given) and I can't see one for Alfred in 1931 (checked Mar 1932 as well). Maybe I got the spelling wrong.

[Nicolina]

according to Yorkshire BMD there was an Alfred WORMALD born in 1870, in the Yeadon Sub-district of Leeds, however he appears (1871 Census) to be the son of William & Mary.

[MichaelH]

Thank you for the responses.

I have a marriage certificate for 1922 at a church that no longer exists. Both parties were widowed and the witnesses on the form are "officials". My mother was born in 1925 and was 6 when her father died ie 1931 possibly 1932 but like Karen I can find no record of the death either as Wormald or Wormold.

Nicolina, there are indeed several Alfred Wormalds or Wormolds born around 1865-75 but none have a father John Arthur.

I am fairly certain that he met my grandmother in Leeds as her history is quite complete, probably he was a friend of her brother who moved to Hull.

My only other lead is that he was a catholic and insisted on calling one of his children Molly which could possibly give him an Irish link.

[Geoffers]

Okedoke - in order to try and find a starting point...........

Have you been able to identify your chap in either the 1891 or 1901 census - if so, where was he born? Or.............

I have a marriage certificate for 1922 at a church that no longer exists. Both parties were widowed

Do you know who his first wife was and when she died?

Also, you mentioned he was a fisherman, was he a Master, Mate, or one of the crew? Did he enlist in any service in WW1?

[Maggiemac]

Hello...
There is this

Alfred Wormald age 61 died 5th October 1932
Buried..Buried in Scartho Road Cemetery Grimsby/

Maggiemac

[MichaelH]

Where did you find that Maggie? It certainly seems like the one - thanks for that confirmation to my hearsay evidence.

Geoffers - the answer to your questions is no - Alfred does not definitively appear on any census at all from 1871 to 1911! I have searched using all possible spellings and combinations on all of them. Therefore I don't know who his first wife was either or if there was any issue from the marriage.
He was a skipper in the 1920s but I don't know about WW1 service. Most trawlermen tended to stay in fishing or possibly merchant marine.

[Maggiemac]

I have the buriel cd for Grimsby Scartho Road Cemetery
Alfred is the only Wormald on it

I also have the marriage cd there is a Daisy Wormald on it if you would like the details.....if you think she could be yours.Her father was an Alfred.

Maggiemac

[Geoffers]

He was a skipper in the 1920s but I don't know about WW1 service. Most trawlermen tended to stay in fishing or possibly merchant marine.

If he was a Skipper, you might try the Fishing Officers' Certificates held at TNA.

Bearing in mind the importance of fishing to Grimsby - Does the local library have a reference section with a collection containing details of fishermen and their vessels?

With the 1932 death and burial found by Maggiemac, you might search the probate calendar to see if he left a will.

Quite a few trawlers and crew were employed in the RNR(T) in WW1 and associated records can be helpful.