no record of gg/grandpa after 1891 census

[pioneer]

I'm hoping someone will be kind enough to solve my problem,as i'm relatively
inexperienced in family research,my gg/grandpa Frank Spittle Morris Bayley
was born 21 October 1871 at 17,Henry street,Derby,(father)Charles Bayley
a foreman at a plaster works & (mother)Sarah Ann Bayley(formerly)Trow.
Frank marries Sarah Portman in 1889 Dudley,he is then shown in the 1891
census living at 60,wrights lane,old hill,Rowley Regis,Staffs,with in-laws
James & Mary Portman,wife Sarah and daughter Patty Bayley(my g/grandma).
In the 1901 census the family have moved to number 75 wrights lane,but
there's no sign of Frank,but there are 2 more children Charley Bayley born
abt 1892 and Elsie Bayley abt 1894,plus boarders Eli Hobbs age 56,William
Wilks age 29.I've found that wife Sarah marries a William Wilks in 1918,(most
likely the lodger) and then marries a Charles Houghton in1925,so presumably
frank dies sometime between 1893-1918.I have 'nt found any record of this,i thought maybe he'd been killed in war or emigrated possibly to Australia.
I think he had an elder brother Frederick William Trow Bayley who emigrated
to Australia,i would greatly appreciate your help with this brickwall as i'm not
getting anywhere with it. Many thanks,pioneer

[Jan1954]

Hello Pioneer - welcome to Brit-Gen,

Do you have the census reference for the family in 1901, please? Also, does it say that Sarah is married or widowed?

[pioneer]

Hello jan1954,
thankyou very much for taking an interest in my quest,the public record office reference for this particular family in the 1901 census is RG13/2732
folio 12 page 15(hope these are the reference numbers you require).
Secondly Sarah Bayley is still down as married,even though there's no sign
of Frank Bayley.Hope to hear from you again,many thanks,pioneer.

[ennael]

What are Franks' parents names please.

Leanne

[Geoffers]

Welcome to the B-G forums.

Frank Spittle Morris Bayley was born 21 October 1871 at 17,Henry street,Derby.....Frank marries Sarah Portman in 1889 Dudley,he is then shown in the 1891 census living at 60,wrights lane,old hill,Rowley Regis,Staffs.......In the 1901 census the family have moved to number 75 wrights lane,but there's no sign of Frank, but there are 2 more children Charley Bayley born abt 1892 and Elsie Bayley abt 1894 Wilks age 29.I've found that wife Sarah marries a William Wilks in 1918

Some ideas that you may have already tried, but just in case..........

If your chap was in an asylum; the census may just show him recorded by his initials and age (and possibly birthplace)

Try searching for a divorce in TNA's catalogue
In the word or phrase field enter - ba*ley
In the year range enter - 1893-1918
In the department or series code enter - J77

Search the outward passenge lists available on the pay-per-view site findmypast

The census is just a snapshot of who was at home on the night of the census, could your chap have been working a night shift somewhere?

Did he join the army for the Boer War?

[JustJean]

Have you tried locating the family in 1911 census just to confrim that he is still missing...and alternatively a search for just Frank?

Best wishes
Jean

[pioneer]

Hi Folks thanks for your input, have tried divorce records to no avail, checked migration on findmypast, could only find one likely candidate a Frank Bayley who departed for Freemantle, Australia on 3 August 1911 from London, but listed as single and occupation Farm hand.

I've looked again at Franks parents his father Charles & mother Sarah Ann Bayley(formerly Trow),i found a marriage between a couple with the right names, they married at Bromsgrove Parish church 16 August 1862, Charles's father is Samuel Bayley a Maltster & Sarah Ann's father is William Trow a builder.

I think that Charles was known as Frederick at times, possibly born Charles Frederick Bayley or vice versa, as the only family that fits the bill in the 1881 census are living in Melton rd, Belgrave, Leicestershire, listed as
Frederick Bayley (Head)a Cement Manufacturer aged 39, born Wednesbury,
Sarah Ann Bayley(Wife) aged 33,born Wednesbury,
Frederick Bayley aged 17, born Wednesbury
Charles Bayley aged 14, born Cannock
Edwin Bayley aged 10, born Derby
Frank Bayley aged 8,born Derby

So on Frank's B/certificate his dad Charles is a Foreman at a plasterworks in the Derby area, then am i right in thinking that 10 years later and known as Frederick he's a Cement Manufacturer, if i'm correct then Frederick junior aged 17 was born Frederick William Trow Bayley, so he's got his mothers fathers name for his middle names.

But Frank should be 10 and not 8 years old (or possibly 9 depending on when the census was taken).

I found a public tree on Ancestry which has details of Frederick William Trow Bayley settling in Australia,plus it also mentions his mother Sarah Ann's death in Burwood,NSW,Australia in 1912, i've looked for Frank on the 1911 census without any luck,i'm seriously running out of ideas,but thankyou kindly for all your suggestions.
Many thanks,pioneer

[Geoffers]

Hi Folks thanks for your input, have tried divorce records to no avail, checked migration on findmypast, could only find one likely candidate a Frank Bayley who departed for Freemantle, Australia on 3 August 1911 from London, but listed as single and occupation Farm hand.

If you've discounted emigration, you might still try census returns for asylums and possible army service (military deaths are in a separate index to civil deaths - you can find military deaths on findmypast).

I think that Charles was known as Frederick at times, possibly born Charles Frederick Bayley or vice versa

This isn't unusual

But Frank should be 10 and not 8 years old (or possibly 9 depending on when the census was taken).

Age differences on census returns is not unusual - but to make sure, you could check the GRO deaths and births indexes to see if one Frank died and a second was born two years later.

Frank marries Sarah Portman in 1889 Dudley

Is this marriage certificate consistent with other details that you have found?

[tmelport1979]

Hi

I don't have the answer to your question. But i have been researching the Portman's for a while.
Sarah Portman was born in Rowley Regis.Her Parent's were James Portman and Mary Tickle. She had 3 siblings Thomas, Betty and Isaiah.
Ive got back to the early 1700's and would love to exchange info.

Teresa