OGILVIE, MOORE, LONG

[hetsgirl]

I have had quite a journey in this.
My father GEORGE OGILVIE born 1886? in Melbourne?, (According to his attestation papers) got married in 1918 to LOUISA DOROTHY BOUTALL and then went AWOL from the Canadian Force in England in 1919. Disappeared and then married my Mum HARRIET MARY ANN JEX in Dec 1923 under an assumed name of GEORGE LONG in Manchester UK.
On his various papers (before he changed his name!) he stated his father as LESLIE OGILVIE, Doctor (Born 1853 in Glasgow, lived 46 WELBECK STREET, London W1) and his uncle GEORGE OGILVIE Doctor (Born 1852 in Glasgow, lived 22 Welbeck Street, London W1) (both proven to have existed)
LESLIE (my grandfather as above) got married in 1893 - in theory 7 years after my Dad was born) to MARY ETHEL MOORE (born about 1861 - Father WILLIAM GODFREY MOORE - a farmer) I cannot find any earlier record of his marrying. My dad gave his mothers name as ETHEL OGILVIE on his army pay record.
So far it's taken 35 years - absolutely ANY help would be appreciated

[Lesley Robertson]

I have had quite a journey in this.
My father GEORGE OGILVIE born 1886? in Melbourne?, (According to his attestation papers) got married in 1918 to LOUISA DOROTHY BOUTALL and then went AWOL from the Canadian Force in England in 1919. Disappeared and then married my Mum HARRIET MARY ANN JEX in Dec 1923 under an assumed name of GEORGE LONG in Manchester UK.
On his various papers (before he changed his name!) he stated his father as LESLIE OGILVIE, Doctor (Born 1853 in Glasgow, lived 46 WELBECK STREET, London W1) and his uncle GEORGE OGILVIE Doctor (Born 1852 in Glasgow, lived 22 Welbeck Street, London W1) (both proven to have existed)
LESLIE (my grandfather as above) got married in 1893 - in theory 7 years after my Dad was born) to MARY ETHEL MOORE (born about 1861 - Father WILLIAM GODFREY MOORE - a farmer) I cannot find any earlier record of his marrying. My dad gave his mothers name as ETHEL OGILVIE on his army pay record.
So far it's taken 35 years - absolutely ANY help would be appreciated

If George was born in Melbourne, have you had any luck finding Leslie and wife on a passenger list? Did he and Ethel marry in London or Melbourne? I would look for Leslie in the 1881 and 1891 census (to confirm either that he was single pre-Ethel or that there's a mistake in the marriage year). I'd also be looking for a previous mariage for Ethel - it's possible that they were living as man and wife but she had a previous spouse who either died or divorced her.

I've found Leslie in the 1881 on Family Search, unmarried, lodging at 40 Weymouth St, London. He's 27, a physician MB Edinburgh Uni.

Lesley

[Marie C..]

Was George born in Melbourne Australia or melbourne England?

[Lesley Robertson]

Was George born in Melbourne Australia or melbourne England?

FreeBMD has George Ogivies in 1885 and 1887, but not 1886.
Now that I'm thinking geographically, we do have a complete mix here. Father born in Scotland. Son Born in Melbourne, in the Canadian armed forces! I'm almost afraid to ask where he married Louisa!

I tried a census search for Louisa on the Family Search site (1880-1881, England & Wales, USA and Canada) and found nobody young enough for an 1886 bridegroom.

I think I have your next generation back. William Ogilvie and Margaret Mitchell had 3 children baptised in Barony, Lanark (just down the road from Glasgow). George bap 19 Mar 1852, Leslie bap 14 Apr 1853, Edith bap 25 Sep 1854. I was rather hoping for something in 1855 or after, to find a bith cert!

George is also in the 1881 on family search, as a physician and head of household (1 boarder, 4 servants including a butler) in Twickenham.

No obvious sign of Edith, so she was either married or still in Scotland.
It would be worth checking William & Margaret in the 1851 on Scotlands People. Looks like they weren't short of money!

Lesley

[AdeleE]

Images of George Ogilvie's attestation papers can be found at the Library & Archives website:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/d...2-100.01-e.php

Type his name into the search box. He's the Lt. The chase is on!

Adele

[AdeleE]

Leslie Ogilvie is married on the 1891 census, living at 46 Wellbeck Street. There is no spouse or son in the home, only 2 female servants Jessie Ross & Mary Ann Shaw.

Adele

[AdeleE]

There is this birth record for a George Ogilvie:

Name: George Norman Ogilvie
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 680

Perhaps the attestation paper was recorded incorrectly & that was the start of George's deceptions. Someone else was filling out the attestation papers for George to sign. Perhaps George said Marylebone, the recruiter heard it as Melbourne, and George thought "Why not?"

Adele

[AdeleE]

And finally, here's a link to Leslie Ogilvie's obituary in the British Medical Journal Feb 1901. The link is to page 433. On Page 434 is the final paragraph stating that he leaves a widow & 3 children.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pag...geindex=1#page

Adele

[Lesley Robertson]

Leslie Ogilvie is married on the 1891 census, living at 46 Wellbeck Street. There is no spouse or son in the home, only 2 female servants Jessie Ross & Mary Ann Shaw.

Adele

Did they give a birth parish for the wife?
Lesley

[hetsgirl]

If George was born in Melbourne, have you had any luck finding Leslie and wife on a passenger list? Did he and Ethel marry in London or Melbourne? I would look for Leslie in the 1881 and 1891 census (to confirm either that he was single pre-Ethel or that there's a mistake in the marriage year). I'd also be looking for a previous mariage for Ethel - it's possible that they were living as man and wife but she had a previous spouse who either died or divorced her.

I've found Leslie in the 1881 on Family Search, unmarried, lodging at 40 Weymouth St, London. He's 27, a physician MB Edinburgh Uni.

Lesley

I've looked on the passenger lists into Canada and England and cannot find likely people. In the 1891 census he is living in the house on 46 Welbeck Street (Alone) - I have found a record in the Times where he and his brother were out with another gentlemen and two women at the Lyceum and Leslies watch was stolen. That was in 1886 - and I have found him mentioned as a donor in 1886 and in registers in 1887 so I doubt if he went to Australia.
Looking at Mary Ethel, she married Leslie in 1893 in Brentford Registry and gave her maiden name (MOORE) - and she was 31. So far I've not been able to find her coming in on a ship. Do you know if it was common for a widow to revert to her maiden name after death (or maybe divorce?)
One thing that is strange - he lived and worked in W1 London and was mxing in good circles - but he got married in Brentford registry by license - sounds odd.
Leslie died in 1901 - just before the census - so the house is empty then. But I have found that he made a will - I am going to see it whilst I am in London
Many thanks - again