Crow's Nest in Tottenham

[Peter Goodey]

I think the reason I'm confused is that it does say on the death certificate that the beer house was off license but that Fred was the licensee- that doesn't make sense to me- an off license with a licensee

You need a licence to sell alcohol to be consumed either on the premises (one type of licence) or off the premises (another type of licence).

You may find records of licensed victuallers at the LMA. I don't know if records of off licensees have survived - I've never heard them mentioned. Ask before travelling

You may like to read this -

http://217.154.230.218/NR/rdonlyres/.../0/Infono3.pdf

If this was the Edmonton Division, you may be out of luck.

[LittleMissP]

Thanks for that pdf, yes it sounds like I might be a bit at a brick wall now as The Crow's Nest would have been in Edmonton. I'll contact LMA anyway and ask about off licenses and see if they have any ideas about records. I'll perhaps come back to this issue rather than go round in circles with it, though first might try my luck to see if the coroner's report on the death still exists somewhere (I know my hopes aren't good here).

Thanks for all your help with this, each new thing that genealogy throws up always at least teaches me something new!

[suzannewozere2]

Don't forget to try the archives @ Bruce Castle Museum.
There maybe mention in Fisk's History of Tottenham from about 1920.

[suzannewozere2]

A lively pictorial and social history of pubs over the past 500
years, including The Swan in Tottenham, The Gate House at
Highgate, The Green Man, Muswell Hill and many more
pubs, past and present. Tempus, £12.99

www.
haringey.gov.uk/local_history_publications_list.pdf