Hannah Bacon

[John Gourlay]

Does anyone claim ownership of Hannah Bacon christened at Ely, Cambridgeshire on 14/1/1812? If so, do you know if she married a George Smith from Bury, Huntingdonshire?
John Gourlay
Melbourne, Australia

[davidcarca]

Using the Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html there's a Hannah Bacon, parents John and Mary, baptised at Ely in 1812. In 1841 John and Mary Bacon were living in Ely (John was described as Chief constable). But in 1851 Mary Bacon, mother widow 62 annuitant b London was living with George Reynolds head marr 44 Grocer b Saffron Walden Essex and wife Hannah Reynolds 38 b Ely

Freebmd at http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl has a marriage in June 1840 at Ely where George Reynolds and Hannah Bacon are on the same page.

So whilst I'm not claiming her, I don't think that she married George Smith!

I assume you're looking at George Smith b Bury Hunts and wife Hannah Bacon Smith born March Cambs who were living at St Dunstan in the East in 1851. My reading is that she was Hannah Bacon (unknown surname), not Hannah Bacon.

I've been through Cambs Baptism Index 1801-37 on CDrom as opposed to on the Cambs FHS website, where you can search against first name

There are only three Hannah's baptised in March in 1812/13
Hannah Redding 1813 d of John and Sarah
Hannah Bennet 1812 d of William and Ann
Hannah B Thurbon age 1 d of John and Susanna

Looking at the IGI there's a member submission, so unreliable, of the baptism of Hannah Bacon Thurbon on 9 June 1812 at March (birth 19 June 1810) daughter of John Thurbon and Susanna Bacon. But couple with the Cambs FHS baptism index I think it's reliable enough! In fact she's shown in the free index at http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/ as Hannah Bacon Thurbon.

All you need now is to find her marriage to George Smith to close the loop. But I can't find it!!! There's a marriage of Hannah Bacon Thurbon in Wisbech registration district in the March quarter 1845, but she could have married one of three parties, so if it is her any remarriage to George Smith would have been under her married name.

I'm still looking!

David

[davidcarca]

Which line are you following? Hannah Bacon, or George Smith? I can't see George and Hannah Smith after 1851


David

[davidcarca]

Stupid system won't let me edit my post!

Do you descend from George's second marriage?

Found them now in Surrey in 1861. They don't appear to have had children but living with them in Newington was Thomas Pope age 52 born March, described as brother. Was he Hannah's brother? If he was my theory that she she was Hannah Bacon Thurbon is shot! Also living in the house was Susannah Pope, niece 23, and there's a Susannah Bacon Pope on the IGI baptised in Southwark in 1837.

All is not yet lost! There's a member submission on the IGI of a marriage in 1833 at March between Thomas Pope and Susanna Thurbon. There's a Susanna Thurbon on the Cambs FHS Baptism Index in 1806 in March dau of John and Susanna.

So Thomas Pope was Hannah Smith's brother in law, rather than brother. And even without a marriage between George Smith and Hannah Thurbon, the 1861 census links Hannah Smith to Hannah Bacon Thurbon

David

[John Gourlay]

Dear David
Much appreciated, your interest, your efforts to date and the clever conclusions you have reached already. I haven't had time as yet to absorb and follow the links given.
Yes, I'm searching my maternal Great Grandfather, George Smith's line as well as Great Grandmother's when I can establish who she was.
I've concluded that the George in the in 1851 and 1861 censuses is our man and was going along the assumption that this was a first and childless marriage. I've also assumed that Hannah died between 1861 and 1863. Finding her, we might have a learned a bit about George. From time to time, in bursts, I've chased Bacons and Popes without success. Thurbon adds a new dimension.
George along with Susannah Snr and Junior at 7 and 17 respectively appear in Newington in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. Therefore I descend from George's second marriage. Susannah Smith married Thomas Coster [see my recent posting under London]. My mother was Ivy Amelia Coster born 1899, Walthamstow, West Ham.
John Gourlay

[John Gourlay]

Dear David
Until I can prove it one way or another by finding my Grandmother, Susannah J Smith's birth certificate, I'm claiming Susannah Bacon Pope as my great grandmother. Thanks to you I can now trace her birth and parentage. Her mother Susanna Pope nee Thurbon just has to be Hannah Bacon Thurbon's sister and who, in turn had to be George Smith's, first wife. Could be an interesting story there, with no evidence of Hannah's death.
I've got the family back, at this stage, to John Thurbon and Susanna Bacon married in March in 1795. As well as Susanna and Hannah they had 5 other children.
Thanks again
John Gourlay

[davidcarca]

Sorry John, I think you’re researching the wrong family!

The way I see it is:

George Smith b c1820 at Bury, Hunts
Marr (1) bef 1851 Hannah Bacon Thurbon b 1810 at March Cambs died c1862. Hannah had a sister named Susannah (Thurbon) b 1806 who married Thomas Pope and had a daughter b 1837 called Susannah Bacon Pope.

Marr (2) c1863 Susannah (--?--) bc1825 at St Pancras Middlesex and had a daughter Susannah J Smith b 1864

Four Susannahs make things complicated!

Susannah Bacon Pope married Joseph Rogers in 1864, and they were living in Newington in 1871, which I’m afraid kills your theory (Joseph’s mother who was living with them in 1871 was also called Susannah!)

FreeBMD has deaths at Newington of Hannah Smith in June 1861, Dec 1861 and June 1862, any of which could be Hannah wife of George.

The only marriage that looks a possibility is in March 1862 in Lambeth, which adjoins Newington, where two of the parties on the page are George Smith and Susannah Mercer. But I can’t find a Susannah Mercer in 1861

I think it will take an investment of hard cash, to purchase certificates, in order to solve this.

David

[John Gourlay]

David
Thanks again. I have a shortage of time this week but will certainly buy into the Mercer links. I had intended to follow with some more census look ups with the Smith/ Pope/ Thurbon links. The worry has been the c1925 Susannah Smith birth date and the c1837 Susannah Bacon Pope birth date.
Certainly too many Susannahs
Will keep trying.
John Gourlay

[John Gourlay]

My great grandfather George Smith gave the name Smith in 4 censuses, however when he married both Hannah Bacon Thurbon and my great grandmother Susannah Harris [yes I did find her eventually] who was married under the name Lackington, that of her deceased husband; he used the surname Woodcock. He also used Woodcock when he registered the birth of my Grandmother and gave her a 3rd given name of Smith - Susannah Jane Smith Woodcock. Just to add a 3rd surname into the equation, George gave his father's name as William Kent, schoolmaster, when he married Hannah. I've renamed George in my tree as George Kent Woodcock, the name used on 3 official documents.
John Gourlay