lookup for wakefield

[squirrelnut]

hi, can someone please look up 1891census for arthur wakefield born 1858 nottingham,married lydia branson 1877.much appreciated.

[pottoka]

Arthur Wakefield is living on his own in Radford, Notts in 1891. The entry reads:

5 Derwent St - Arthur Wakefield - Head - M - 33 - Frame Work Knitter - Employed - Nottm, Radford

I can't find Lydia or the children just looking quickly but will try again later.

[Mutley]

Is he the one born and living in Radford?

If so, he appears on his own though is has an M in the condition column.
I really cannot read his occupation.
'France' then two single letters then 'and' then two more single letters and ?Twilter? with Hosm scribbled acrosss the top

Class: RG12; Piece: 2685; Folio 59; Page 27

P.S. Thanks Pottoka, I made a right mess of that occupation

[Mutley]

I think I see Lydia in 1901 but I cannot see her or the children in 1891.

Sorry

[squirrelnut]

thanks for that Pottoka and Mutley,that marriage didnt last long by the looks of it.Now have to look for lydia and the kids,thanks again

[squirrelnut]

can you tell me why they would be missing from a census.i am still new to this game so bear with me if i ask some really basic questions

[Nicolina]

on the 1901 Census Lydia is in Nottingham at 38 Alfred Street, a married Lace Hand, Brass Bobbin Winder together with Ellen, a Draper's Shop Assistant and another daughter, Lily aged 15, a Cigarette Maker. They were occupying 3 rooms.
No Arthur.

Found Lily in 1891
she's visiting a Cooper family in Pinxton, Derbyshire
18 Kirkstead, Pinxton
George Cooper aged 40, a Coal Miner born Staffordshire
Mary A Cooper aged 33 born Hyson Green, Notts
Edwin Cooper, son aged 14, a Coal Miner born Gadd St., Notts
Herbert Cooper, son aged 12, a Scholar born Radford, Notts
Lily Wakefield, Visitor aged 3, a Scholar born Radford, Notts.

also living at number 18 is a seperate family
Alonzo Branson, aged 30, a Coal Miner born Radford, Notts
Eliza Branson, Wife aged 28 born Grantham
Alonza Branson, Son aged 1 born Radford

wonder if they are all related.

[Procat]

can you tell me why they would be missing from a census.i am still new to this game so bear with me if i ask some really basic questions

Any number of reasons. They may have been missed by the enumerator, they may not have completed the census details, they may have been overseas, they may have been travelling and were missed, they may have completed the form but it has been lost (a number of pages are missing for whatever reason), they may have been mis-transcribed by the enumerator or by the person who prepared the index for the online search engine.

Or if they were like some of mine they knew I would come looking for them and intentionally hid to make my life a misery.

[pottoka]

Personally, I have decided that alien abductions are the answer to people missing from Census returns . I can understand one person missing, say sleeping rough on the night of the Census, as may cover one of my ancestors, but when it comes to a whole family, it just has to be something out of this world .

Seriously, though, a lot of people seem to disappear because their names have been mistranscribed, phonetically spelled in the first place, shortened (Wm for William, Jno for John, etc) and so on. If I have understood rightly, a certain paying site outsourced the transcriptions of the Censuses to countries where English is not the first language, and the transcribers probably did their best but they were also faced with some pretty gruesome writing sometimes!

I've found Lydia's birth reference:

Name: Lydia Branson
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Radford
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 167

and this Arthur from Radford R.D. at the right time:

Name: Arthur Wakefield
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Radford
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 162

You might like to get their birth certificates as having their parents' names would help in tracking them down on the Censuses.

I thought that I had found Lydia in 1861, transcribed as Sidney Branson. Someone else will have to give their opinion as the name has been gone over again on a couple of letters, but it looks like Lidey to me, which could be a pet form of Lydia. The age and place of birth are right. If this is her family, her father is Noah and her mother is Jane. (Further down the page, there is a 'Liddia')

The family is living in North Row, Radford, Nottingham and are:
Noah Branson 29 - H W Knitter
James Branson 27 (Jane)
Edwin Branson 7
Mary Branson 5
Sidney Branson 3
Ebenezar Branson 1

Class: RG9; Piece: 2448; Folio: 91; Page: 12;

The same family in 1871 are living in Sheppards Yard, St Marys, Nottingham, but now the child ten years older than 'Sidney' is called Eliza. They are:
Noah Branson 39 - Frame Work Knitter
Jane Branson 37 - Lace mender
Edwin Branson 17 - Wheelwright
Mary Branson 15 - Lace Mender
Eliza Branson 13 - Lace Mender
Lenser Branson 10 - Winder (is this Ebenezer?)
Elizabeth Branson 8
Ann Branson 4
Joseph Branson 1

Class: RG10; Piece: 3510; Folio: 45; Page: 20;

In 1877, Lydia marries Arthur Wakefield (maybe you have that certificate which will give the fathers' names), and they have two children by 1881:

Name: Samuel Arthur Wakefield
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 276

There are two possibilities for Ellen, one on 1879 and one in 1880 which is probably your best bet:

Name: Ellen Wakefield
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Radford
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 259

I can't find any of them in 1891, neither for love nor money. (Nicolina has found Lily while I've been writing this and looking - good for her. I wonder if Lily is Arthur's child?)

As Nicolina said, Lydia is in plain sight on the 1901 Census, with Ellen, Arthur's daughter, and Lily, maybe not.

Class: RG13; Piece: 3181; Folio: 124; Page: 15.

[Procat]

I thought that I had found Lydia in 1861, transcribed as Sidney Branson. Someone else will have to give their opinion as the name has been gone over again on a couple of letters, but it looks like Lidey to me, which could be a pet form of Lydia. The age and place of birth are right. If this is her family, her father is Noah and her mother is Jane. (Further down the page, there is a 'Liddia')

The family is living in North Row, Radford, Nottingham and are:
Noah Branson 29 - H W Knitter
James Branson 27 (Jane)
Edwin Branson 7
Mary Branson 5
Sidney Branson 3
Ebenezar Branson 1

Class: RG9; Piece: 2448; Folio: 91; Page: 12;

I agree the name is not Sidney. The person is recorded as a daughter and Sidney is a male name. Also the first letter is formed the same as the 'L' in the Liddia a few rows down.

I think it was on probability, originally Lidia then changed to Lidey