John Crowley Weaver were was he Ordained?

[Joanna1]

Dear fellow members,

I am not sure if this is the right thread to be contacting. If not, please could someone possibly forward it on. Thank you.

Is there anyone who can please tell me about John Crowley Weaver, [/B]becoming a clergyman, I wonder if he was ordained in Wolverhampton?. John Crowley Weaver, brother James Homer Weaver was in partnership in firm Crowley & Co. Wolverhampton.

John Weaver Crowley admitted in Trinity College Oxford 1863. He became a church of England clergyman, and between 1877 and 1886 was the Vicar of Kemplay in Gloucestershire. I want to try and find out where he came from. I think the family came from Wolverhampton

The firm 'Crowley & Co, Crowley Leyland, and Hicklin, Crescent wharf, load fly boats to Bristol, Coventry, Derby, Gainsborough, Hull, Liverpool, London, Manchester, and Oxford.—N.B. Wine and spirits are conveyed in boats secured by locks.

One of our members kindly found reference to Crowley firm back to 1818 I am trying to see where the family came from. If Crowley Weaver were the founders [/B]of Common,' Carriers, and Railway, Agent’s, under, the respective firms of Crowley & Co., and Crowley, Bicklinr 'and Co.,? Big question.

Do hope someone can help me.

Best wishes

Joanna

[bumblebee]

The newspapers have this,

Dec 24th 1867
Clerical Appointments
The Rev. John Crowley Weaver BA of Trinity College Oxford, to Wantage, on the Nomination of the Rev. William Butler.



Saturday, Dec 26th 1868
At an Ordination held by the Bishop of Oxford, in the Cathedral of Oxford, on Sunday Last...........(Priests) John Crowley Weaver, BA Trinity College Oxford,


March 9th 1867
Oxford University Rifle Volunteer Corps - John Crowley Weaver Esq, to be Lieutenant

6th June 1877
Appointments
Rev. John Crowley Weaver, Vicar of Kempley, Patron the Earl of Beauchamp.


Saturday June 10th 1882
May 22?nd Deaths,
James Homer Weaver, second son of the late James William Weaver of Oaken?, near Wolverhampton. aged 35.

Feb 8th 1879
Liquidation on Tuesday next.
James Homer Weaver late of Tottenhall, Wolverhampton, a portion of the effects.......................then it goes onto give individual details of furniture etc.

Jan 15th 1886
Death Notice
Rev, John Crowley Weaver, 11th Jan at Kempley Vicarage, aged 41

22nd October 1869
Sparrow - Weaver Marriage.
At Lytham Lancashire, Mr John William Sparrow of Penn Staffordshire to Mary daughter of the late Mr James William Weaver of Oaken Staffordshire. Oct 19th

Bumblebee

[Joanna1]

You kindly have found out that the family must originated come from Wolverhampton. The names are Oakham and Tenttenhall are in Wolverhampton.

The next Homer Weaver is John Reginald HW would you mind seeing if there is anything on any Census it probably won’t be in Wolverhampton but Oxford, but he may have gone back to his roots 1954: he had a career at Trinity College 1938 and 1954 The President of Trinity College was John Reginald Homer Weaver, who had been one of the College's history tutors since 1913. How am I related to this chap I wonder who’s son is he was, was he married?

You found Jonh Reginald Homer Weaver's Grandfather was The Rev. John Crowley Weaver who I understand was my great grand father 'James Homer Weaver' Brother. Is it correct that James Homer Weaver died Saturday June 10th 1882 age 35? If so, my grandfather was one yrs old. My great Grandfather JHW left five children. I wonder if there was an Obituary do you know what yr James Homer Weaver was married and year he was born? Sorry to ask so much of you. Just so interesting I have no knowledge of how to check myself.

This Cencus1881 James H Weaver, 33; Emily living at Raglan House, Bedminster (RG11 2451/19/31).

RG11 2451/19
Raglan House, Bedminster, Somerset

In a news paper annoucment for his BankrupcyJames Homer Weaver address is: The Elms, WARGS, Tenttenhall Nr Wolverhampton is there anything in a Census of this address maybe a business address? or was he living here?


Be interesting to find out if Crowley where the founder’s from their family as you see: John Crowley Weaver. name is there. The company started 1818 but do not know how to find out would there be something in the local news paper about this.

JHW wife Emily Florence nee FowkeI think died Nov 28th 1928 I think they were residing at: 19 West Park, Westbury on Trim, Bristol (RG12 1987/103/12). Would you mind checking who was in the house 1916 or the name of the house as to where Emily Homer Weaver was living 1916 1916 the year my Grandfather Humphrey Weaver was killed in Mesopotamia. I am trying to trace obituary on Humphrey Weaver.


Bumblebee thank you so so much again for your time and efforts. If you do have time and don’t mind; anything you find would be so great. All the best to you Joanna

[Joanna1]

22nd October 1869
Sparrow - Weaver Marriage.
At Lytham Lancashire, Mr John William Sparrow of Penn Staffordshire to Mary daughter of the late Mr James William Weaver of Oaken Staffordshire. Oct 19th

Bumblebee[/QUOTE]

As you found: James William Weaver must have had a daughter Mary, and also two sons John Reginald and James Homer Weaver Is there anyway of checking on a Cencus – sorry I don’t like asking too much but you are so clever and on the thread and found out so much.

The daughter of late James William Weaver Mary married John William Sparrow at Lytham Lancashire, (we have three county’s here)? Is this where the marriage took place?

Mary Homer Weaver married into the Sparrow family who invented the Steam Train that pumped water out of mines. William Hanbury Sparrow (this maybe Mary's daughter of JHWhusband) called a meeting in Wolverhampton to propose making a railway for carrying iron; this was the origin of the London & North Western Railway. His name heads the list of subscribers to the railway and he was therefore the first shareholder. The Sparrows are of Beckminster and Penn Court Wovrhampton. Beckminster House still stand and is a Wolverhamtons busy Teachers Centre. The family built the House and played a part in development of Penn and Bilston. A second brach was living at Penn Court Penn Rd. Pen Court was the home of Willaim Hanbury Sparrow at the time the servey was done 1844. Sparrows had come from Audley Noth Saffs. 1750 attracted by oppertunities in the South Staffordshire coal and iron trades.

A decendent William Hanbury Sparrow of Pattingham, born 1st March 1764, married Mary, daughter of Thomas Hanbury of Birmingham and from his union.

There is a catch as from what I know, this William (I think it was this William as there are so many in the Sparrow famiilywas a 'Brown' he was made to change his name by Deed Poll to inherit Albrighton Hall Shrewsbury from one of the Sparrow family. He married Amy Baldwin, a first cousin of Standley Baldwin later three times Prime Minister.

I am related to this Sparrow family. I understood that my great Grandfather James Homer Weaver wife Emily Florance Nee Fowke - that it was her grandfather who was a Sparrow. My mind can't cope with the tracing and research. It's a puzzel, but it's fun to try and find out who's who and where one fits etc. I wonder why Homer and Crowley were dropped from Weaver (where do these names come from and fit in)?

Do we know what Jame Willaim Weaver did for a living and where he lived?

All the best and thank you so much again any comments welcome. Regards Joanna

[Joanna1]

The newspapers have this,

Dec 24th 1867
Clerical Appointments
The Rev. John Crowley Weaver BA of Trinity College Oxford, to Wantage, on the Nomination of the Rev. William Butler.



Saturday, Dec 26th 1868
At an Ordination held by the Bishop of Oxford, in the Cathedral of Oxford, on Sunday Last...........(Priests) John Crowley Weaver, BA Trinity College Oxford,


March 9th 1867


Oxford University Rifle Volunteer Corps - John Crowley Weaver Esq, to be Lieutenant

6th June 1877
Appointments
Rev. John Crowley Weaver, Vicar of Kempley, Patron the Earl of Beauchamp.


Saturday June 10th 1882
May 22?nd Deaths,
James Homer Weaver, second son of the late James William Weaver of Oaken?, near Wolverhampton. aged 35.

Feb 8th 1879
Liquidation on Tuesday next.
James Homer Weaver late of Tottenhall, Wolverhampton, a portion of the effects.......................then it goes onto give individual details of furniture etc.

Jan 15th 1886
Death Notice
Rev, John Crowley Weaver, 11th Jan at Kempley Vicarage, aged 41

22nd October 1869
Sparrow - Weaver Marriage.
At Lytham Lancashire, Mr John William Sparrow of Penn Staffordshire to Mary daughter of the late Mr James William Weaver of Oaken Staffordshire. Oct 19th

Bumblebee

These are the correct names Oakham and Tenttenhall are in Wolverhampton.

thank you Joanna

[bumblebee]

Hi Joanna

Just reading through your posts, will answer shortly.

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

Regarding John Reginald Homer Weaver - these dates are too late for the census returns. (1901 is currently the latest available)

Just to clarify - Saturday June 10th 1882 (date of paper) May 29nd (date of) Deaths,
James Homer Weaver, second son of the late James William Weaver of Oaken?, near Wolverhampton. aged 35. - So he died (according to the paper) on May 29nd 1882.

Again, I don't have the facilities to check for addresses in 1916 as this is past the last available census.


This looks like the marriage reference for James Homer Weaver - James Homer Weaver, 1873 Q4 Wolverhampton, 6b 949 Emily Florence Fowke on same page.

This looks like the birth reference for James Homer Weaver - James Homer Weaver, 1846, Q3 Wolverhampton, 17 306

There is this christening record for an Oswald James Weaver, 9 Jun 1875, at Tettenhall, Staffordshire, Father, James Homer Weaver. Mother Emily Florence


Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

This is the 1851 census and Father James William Weaver gives his place of birth as Warwickshire, Birmingham.

1851
Tettenhall, Staffordshire
Tettenhall Road? (Wood)

Ann Crawley 35 Visitor born Wolverhampton
Sarah Heyman 30 Servant
Frances Smith 27 Servant
Mary Ann Smith 22 Servant
Ann Shaw Sparrow 24 Visitor born Wolverhampton
Charles Leatham Weaver 3 Son born Wolverhampton,
James Homer Weaver 4 Son born Wolverhampton
James William Weaver 35 Head, Carrier and Wharfinger. Born Birmingham.
John Crawley Weaver 6 Son born Wolverhampton
Mary Weaver 35 Wife, born Wolverhampton

Piece: 2017; Folio: 105; Page: 24

[bumblebee]

Interestingly enough in 1881 there is this regarding the address you were interested in

Tettenhall, Staffordshire

18 The Wargs The Elms

John Dean 24 Servant
Harriet Jones 35 Servant
Mary Rawlings 21 Servant
........Elizabeth Homer Rutter 34 Wife, born Wolverhampton
........Richard Woodd Rutter 37 Head, Solicitor in Practice. born Wolverhampton

Class: RG11; Piece: 2789; Folio: 24; Page: 20


On September 30th 1887, the Will of John Simpson Rutter of the Cedars, Richmond Surrey, formerly of Wolverhampton, left a £3,000 legacy to Elizabeth Homer Rutter wife of his deceased son Richard Woodd Rutter. (lots of others mentioned in the Will)

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

Also as you say they all have links with the GWR - do you have copies of the following, they can be ordered from SOG.

James William WEAVER Death 3 Mar 1869 Codsall, Staffordshire,
Rev John Crowley WEAVER Executor (Son) 21 Apr 1869 Wantage, Berkshire,
Charles Leatham WEAVER Executor (Son) 21 Apr 1869 Albrighton, Shropshire,
James Horner (Homer?) WEAVER Executor (Son) 21 Apr 1869 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire,
John Leatham CROWLEY Executor 21 Apr 1869 Newport, Staffordshire,
Alexr HEMSLEY Recipient 18 May 1869


James Homer WEAVER Death 1 Jun 1882 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, (different date to that given in paper - probably his death certificate would clarify)
James Homer WEAVER Joint Holder 1 Jun 1882
W DENT Declaration 27 Nov 1882
Rev John Crowley WEAVER Executor 25 Nov 1882 Kempley, Gloucestershire,
Charles Leatham WEAVER Executor 25 Nov 1882


John Crowley WEAVER Death 15 Jan 1886 Kempley, Gloucestershire,
D E NORTON Declaration 21 Jan 1886
Rev Frederick William WEAVER Executor 15 Jan 1886 Evercreech, Somersetshire, (this chap is on the clergy list for 1896, MA Oxford 1878 Milton Clevedon, Evercreech)




And............Richard Woodd Rutter of the 1881 census crops up in GWR also

John FORD Death 21 Sep 1875 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, ....................
..................Richard Woodd RUTTER Declaration 15 Jan 1876

Elizabeth MOUNTFORT Death 9 Oct 1865 Lichfield, Staffordshire,...........
...................Richard Wood RUTTER Declaration 5 Oct 1872

Bumblebee