Some Jewish Look Ups able to be undertaken

[phillip]

Martin
You might want to look carefully at the postings related to Louisa Foley nee Crawcour on this Jewish Forum particularly postings 6-9 because I see I have looked at the Henry Levi line before in relation to Levi/Crawcour relationships. See what you make of the data supplied by myself and another researcher.
Phillip

[phillip]

Martin
I have been re-checking data and previous postings on the Crawcour/Nathan/Foley/Campbell/Levi lines and can confirm ( I am going to put a separate new post on the lines) that there is a relationship through marriage between Philip Levi and my Crawcour lines.
In very brief summary, the Crawcour lines descend through Samuel Crawcour 1748-1816 and Rebecca dob ? died 1821 - surname uknown but maybe a Levy/Levi my 5x great grandparents- his son Henry- his daughter Louisa who married Isaac Nathan and had 3 children one of whom one was Rosa Nathan. Rosa married Charles Campbell. Their son Jamieson Knight Campbell 1876 -1948 married Ethel Louisa Levi daughter of Joseph Levi and Charlotte Broad. Joseph was the son of Philip Levi/Ann.

I will confirm all the above via records.
This data confirms that we have Anglo Jewish families who married 'out of the faith'. The Crawcour lines originate from Cracow, Poland and I suspect that the Levi have comparable origins. There may well be further connections to the Jacobs/Levi glass cutters; glass merchants through Henry Levi/Levy since many of the Jewish families married close friends; neighbours ; relatives
Phillip
Phillip

[sandiep]

Hi Martin

I have checked the copies of Great Synagogue and Bevis Marks that I have and cannot find any reference to a Morris Levi/y being registered...............sometimes at that date houses were used as synagogues and it may not have made it to the main registers.

as for late marriages I have instances on the Jewish side of my husbands family where one was seraphadic and one was ashkenazi and they were considered mixed marriages and not approved of and when the woman was a gentile they would change her name!
one of ours had children from 1870 to 1890 but didnt marry till 1904.

sandie

[phillip]

Martin
I have looked on several family trees on Ancestry Com and they record the Philip Levi lines including Joseph's marriage and children. Most miss out the Nathan/Crawcour/Campbell link.
The Marriage of Joseph Levy to Charlotte Broad Dec qtr 1872 Kensington 1a 132. In the 1871 Census Charlotte is a lodger in Philip Levi's house and she is 18. I will post the full records.
Phillip

[mtw63]

Thanks Phillip you have been very helpful - do you know exactlly what a glass cutter's occupation involved?

Martin

[mtw63]

Thanks Phillip - that is very interesting - I will try to look at the other thread over the week-end.

Martin

[phillip]

Martin
First of all you might want to look at the Synagogue Site which has the names of 'Jewish Apprentices By Master' and lists several Levi/Levy who were glass cutters; lapidary specialists. In addition, Samuel Kurisky wrote a series of articles on the origins and later history of Jewish glass makers; engravers called ' The Glass Maker'. I take the term 'glass cutter' to mean engraver and the term 'glass flowerer' has also been used to describe engraving. This is a specialist skill and Kurisky describes where the Jewish glass maker/engraver settled in Europe- clues to the origins of families. My own Jacobs came from Germany and the family name was Litzen/Lietzen/Letson which is a locality in West Prussia.
Phillip

[kevininlondon]

Hi Debbie Shabbat Shalom

Would love to know if my Gt Gt grandparents got married in the Gt Synagogue..Their wedding took place in 1868
Abigail Hart and Morris (Moses) Asher..

really appreciate knowing

and many thanks

Kevin

[sandiep]

Hello Kevin

I have looked in the record books I have for Great Synagogue and New Synagogue & Hambro....and cannot find a marriage registered there..........Just in case I looked in Bevis Marks as well but no luck..........however there were many smaller synagogues and although they should still have been registered in GS sometimes got missed.
I see they married in Whitehall on GRO records in 1868 in Jan Qtr vol 1c page 677......have you got this certificate because if they
married in Synagogue it should say on this.........although I have some who married in both Registry office & Synagogue makes life fun researching!!

Sandie

[mrsandrea]

Thanks for your kindness I am in California (born and raised in New York) If anyone wants me to look up records for them of relatives that immigrated to New York let me know. I subscribe to ancestry.com. jewishdata.com, jewishgen.org, findagrave.com and more.. My research in England in in Birmingham 1863-1880..Aschers/Cohens who immigrated in 1880 to NY.