Some Jewish Look Ups able to be undertaken

[sandiep]

This is a strage one isnt it.............Meyer on 1901 yet all children appear to have been registered as Singer and Lewis died in 1909 as Lewis Singer and his wife and family are Singer on 1911 census.........that says they married 14years ago c1897...I cant find a marriage here so perhaps they did marry in Russia

Where do all the differant names for Rebecca come from?? she calls herself Beccy on 1911 by the way....... living at 7 Hawkins street Flat 21a Stepney.....

sandie

[MaisieM]

Indeed it is! The Meyer/Singer thing is odd but as you will see from the other thread I started about the Singer family, there just isn't any trace of them on the 1901 census as Singer. I know from their birth certificates that Annie and Tilly were born in London before 1901 so the family must have been here at the time of the 1901 census.

The different names for Rebecca come from her chidren's birth certifcates and her marriage certifcate to her second husband, Julius Fox (Furs). I have listed the info below:

Annie Singer b.1898. Mother's maiden name on birth certificate looks like Dolochensky
Tilly Singer b. 1900. Mother's maiden name on birth certificate looks like Dovrosky
Polly Singer b. 1903. Mother's maiden name on birth certificate looks like Derchinski
Fanny Singer b. 1907. Mother's maiden name on birth certificate looks like Darachinsky

Marriage to Julius Fox, 1932, father's name looks like Moses Israel Berchensky. Occupation Herbrew ? (could be teacher, leader etc)
Is there anywhere I can find some info about this second marriage?

Katharine

[sandiep]

Marriage to Julius Fox, 1932, father's name looks like Moses Israel Berchensky. Occupation Herbrew ? (could be teacher, leader etc)
Is there anywhere I can find some info about this second marriage?

Katharine

As you already have the cert only thing I could suggest is perhaps to contact the place where she was married........

I thought wow I have found the family but I realise its your tree....great photos!

I will go and read your other thread see if I can find a clue

sandie

[Hilda Woodley]

Hi Sandi, please may I ask for your help. Here goes just in case:

David Davis married Rachel Shantal - probably about 1872 possibly Posnan or hopefully London. He was a Watchmaker/Jeweller - can you see if there is a marriage in London? If not for him then maybe his daughter Jane (Jeannette) to Hyman Kanapka 1897 which might give me David & Rachel's jewish details and Hyman's parents.
Children are Sam 1873, Jane 1875, Moses 1877. Kate 1879, Julius (John) 1881 & Esther 1883 - all born Houndsditch

David's grave site is West Ham Cemetary (Section G, Row 10, Plot #8) 22 Jan 1892 having died 21 Jan in the Chelsea Workhouse Infirmary. I have been unable to obtain any details form the Cemetary on this discovery - is there a kind person out there who can help with this request?

Tons of luv
Hilda

[sandiep]

Hi Hilda

sorry nothing in my books......however I did notice on BDMs that a Harry Kanapka married a Jeanette Davis April Qtr Mile End Old Town 1c 859 in 1897.

closest to David Davis I can see is a marriage to a Renate Schouthal in London City April Qtr 1871 1c 214

sandie

[Hilda Woodley]

Thanks Sandi, I was hoping for a Synogogue marriage for Davis/Shantall to give me their Hebrew names so I guess they married either in Eastern Europe or perhaps in another Synogogue in the London area if there was one. They are on the 1881 and onwards but I could not find either David or Rachel on 1871 so I guess they arrived shortly before 1st son Sam was born in 1873. Jeannette's marriage I know of (sorry my post was a bit misleading I know Hyman's parents what I had hoped for was their Hebrew names and other details) and I have for a long time pondered the Davis/Schouthal marriage on FreeBMD and wondered if I should waste my money getting that cert, if I did, I would be none the wiser if it is them because I don't know parents names in either case, the only clue would be David's occupation. So I guess it's back to the drawing board and living in hope of a miracle find out there on the web!!!! Thanks a million for your help.
Tons of luv
Hilda

[Tresa]

Hi Hilda,

The marriage Sandie mentioned took place in The Great Synagogue, London, on 21 June 1871. Details given in Harold & Miriam Lewin's book show:

Groom: David DAVIS; age 29; patrynomic Dovid b. Shmuel; address 119 Middlesex St, Whitechapel
Groom's Father: Samuel DAVIS (deceased)
Bride: Renate SCHONTAL; age 25; patrynomic Rivka b. Aharon; address 119 Middlesex St
Bride's Father: Aaron SCHONTAL (deceased)

Census 1871 for 119 Middlesex Street shows:
David DAVIS, head, unmarried, age 30, watch maker, b. Prussia
Joseph DAVIS, brother, unmarried, age 18, watch maker, b. Middx Whitechapel

Census 1871 on Ancestry had David transcribed as Daniel; TheGenealogist had him as Louisa!

Couldn't find Jeanette's marriage but, if you have the certificate, it'll tell you which church/synagogue they were married in, so at least you know whose records to search.

Regards
Theresa

[sandiep]

Hi Theresa

Just a query please the Great Synagogue book you have does it give full details for all?
The one I have Angela Squires is more of an index..........I do have the Bevis Marks which gives full details and is so much more use
If your book gives details it might be worth me trying to find one

sandie

[Tresa]

Hi Sandie,

The book I have gives the details I put in the message to Hilda. Not every entry has everything, but if it was in the original, I guess they put it in the book.

The two books I have are "Marriage Records of the Great Synagogue, London, 1791-1885" and "Birth Records of the Great & Hambro Synagogues, London, 2nd edition". Dates for the births - Great Syn. 1791-1877 and Hambro Syn. 1770-1905.

The books were published privately and buying copies here, or even finding them in a reference library, proved impossible. I got both books direct from Harold Lewin, who lives in Jerusalem. Prices to the UK as at August 2010 were Marriages £47 and Births £40, including shipping and enough packaging to make them nigh-on impossible to unwrap! They are very big books. The Lewins have recently also published "Birth Records of the New Synagogue & Marriage Records of the New & Hambro Synagogues, London". This covers New births 1774-1896, New marriages 1790-1823 & 1837-1860, Hambro marriages 1797-1837. I don't have a copy, yet.

If you want to contact Harold & Miriam, their email address is harmir908 AT gmail DOT com.

Theresa

[sandiep]

Thanks Theresa

will look into these

sandie