John Gipping/Giping?

[Melberry]

My 3 x great grandmother, Sarah Berry (born 1796) in Thornham Magna in Suffolk had 6 children (in Wickham Skeith/Thornham Magna), all out of wedlock and it has been my mission to find out the father! The children were all born 1818 - 1833 so unfortunately before registration.
I have checked Parish registers and found that no father was noted for any of the births and some were noted as base born.

In my travels I have come across a distant cousin who has taken over some research from her cousin and he had noted that the father of Sarah's children was John Gipping born about 1800. Perhaps he had copies of the children's marriage certificates and it was stated on those. The only person I have found that is remotely like that is John Giping of Eye, Suffolk in the 1851 UK Census. In that, he is married to Ann. If he was married then that may be why Sarah never married her man! Anyway, I would like to find out more about this John Giping/Gipping but cannot find any mention of him anywhere else.

One thought was that Giping is a transcription error and perhaps it is Gibons or something like that. Can anyone offer any possibilities?

Many thanks
Suzanne Cipriano (nee Berry)
Adelaide, Australia

[bumblebee]

Perhaps your distant cousin found some information in Bastardy records, it may be worth contacting the relevant Suffolk archives and enquiring if any survive.

Bumblebee

[bumblebee]

There is a John Giping born 1829 in Suffolk comes up on the 1841 census on A....y, but my subscription ran out yesterday so I cannot look at the details.

Bumblebee

[Melberry]

Thanks for your suggestion, Bumblebee. Is it likely to be in Bastardy papers if she had 6 children to the man? I don't know much about them and had always assumed them to be taken out if the man wouldn't accept responsibility for the children. That doesn't seem likely if she had so many children to him.

The man in the 1841 Census can't be him as the first child was born in 1818! I suspect it might be a transcription error. I have had a look on A.....y and not been able to find anything there. Thanks anyway!

Suzanne

[bumblebee]

Hi Melberry

As it is only heresay that he was the father, I think it is still worth enquiring about Bastardy records, and as you say the marriage certificates of the children would be a good buy.

I did not think it was him on the 1841 but I wondered as it was the same (unusual) name if it was worth checking the census out - possibly a relation?

Bumblebee

[ukpast]

Just to say that Gipping is a perfectly normal surname in East Anglia, so probably not a misprint or misreading. There is a river Gipping in Suffolk and a hamlet. It is not a parish (I think it comes under Old Newton) but it has a chapel and Gipping Hall. Presumably the surname is derived from the place name. A John Gipping from Eye sound like a good candidate as it's so close to the Thornhams.

[curveycat]

Hi everyone
Im trying to find Hannah Marie Berry (or Anna Marie berry) born about 1846 Thornham Magna Suffolk. Her father is stated as William Berry, labourer deceased on her marriage certificate. Witness to her marriage was Charles Gay. He is stated as the grandfather and present at one of Hannah's children when they died. Charles Gay's 2nd marriage was to Mary Ann Dawson-widow. Father is Richard Berry. Mary Ann comes from Gt Thornham, Suffolk, and born about 1827.
On 2 of Hannah Marie's birth certificates of her children her maiden name is Dawson and the others is Berry. They all live at the same address when they were born.
The only thing I can find is an Anna Marie Berry born 1846 at Eye Union workhouse Suffolk. Mother Mary Ann Berry but no fatheris named. I wonder if this the same people.
Can anyone help me with this little problem.

[curveycat]

My 3 x great grandmother, Sarah Berry (born 1796) in Thornham Magna in Suffolk had 6 children (in Wickham Skeith/Thornham Magna), all out of wedlock and it has been my mission to find out the father! The children were all born 1818 - 1833 so unfortunately before registration.
I have checked Parish registers and found that no father was noted for any of the births and some were noted as base born.

In my travels I have come across a distant cousin who has taken over some research from her cousin and he had noted that the father of Sarah's children was John Gipping born about 1800. Perhaps he had copies of the children's marriage certificates and it was stated on those. The only person I have found that is remotely like that is John Giping of Eye, Suffolk in the 1851 UK Census. In that, he is married to Ann. If he was married then that may be why Sarah never married her man! Anyway, I would like to find out more about this John Giping/Gipping but cannot find any mention of him anywhere else.

One thought was that Giping is a transcription error and perhaps it is Gibons or something like that. Can anyone offer any possibilities?

Many thanks
Suzanne Cipriano (nee Berry)
Adelaide, Australia

Dear Melberry
Ive put a thread up about the Berry Family from Thornham Magna Suffolk. Do you have any info on my Hannah Marie Berry (or Anna Marie Berry) Is she in your Family tree or have you com across her.
From Curveycat

[Melberry]

I have now verified that the father of several of the children was John GISSING, not Gipping! It appears that Mr GISSING was a very busy man as he is known to have fathered other illegitimate children (the Potters!).

I'm sorry Curveycat but I don't know of your Hannah Berry however I have a copy of the Thornham Magna registers and Maryanne Berry was baptised 13/7/1828 at the age of 3 years, daughter of Richard Berry and Elizabeth (maiden name not noted). - possibly Aggus

I have more but will have to come back as my baby keeps waking up!

[curveycat]

Dear Melberry
Thanks for the info on Maryanne Berry. I did find her listed in the parish reg as you say. Father Richard and mother Elizabeth. But dont know if it is her or not. I found someone with the same people on their tree but they say its not her, and they also dont know of a Hannah Marie Berry. Thanks anyway. I will keep searching. Good luck with your searching.
from Curveycat