O'NEILLS in CAHERCIVEEN

[Kate Allan]

CAHERCIVEEN, co KERRY, IRELAND.

My grandfather's Name was FRANCIS JOSEPH O'NEILL,born in 1867, emigrated between 1886-89 to AUSTRALIA ( possibly on the AUSTRAL). IRISH side! How do I trace it?
I KNow they were drapers on Main St, Caherciveen. THere were two O'Neill families (related somehow) with an O'Connell between them. The O'Neills originated in DEELISH and were Roman Catholic.

My Francis' father was Eugene, who dropped dead at the age of 42 whilst lifting weights on the village green in Killarney! Or so the story goes. Apparently Francis was the eldest of 1o but, as Eugene's father was also Eugene, I wonder? If his name was Francis, am I right in thinking that he was the second or fourth son? Not the first as being claimed by the family

Any Ideas? Have sent a post to 'Cahrciveen Central' to no avail, HAve searched Ancestry............lots of Francis'!! not the right branch!

Please Help

[bracaragh]

Have you tried the o'neill family genealogy forum? I googled that surname and the page came up.

[Kate Allan]

Thank you, and no, I didn't know they had one!
I am still learning the ropes!

kate

[Kate Allan]

I've had a look, and tried in the past to contact the same person about caherciveen. He didn't reply, not sure why, maybe the email address is no longer current.

Thanks for your help, anyway!

[get2BJ]

Have you looked on the IGI?
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Sear...lear_form=true

Are these the O'Neills you are looking for:

Parents: Eugene H O'Neill and Catherine (Morris):

Francis ONeill, born 24 Sep 1867, Caher District, Kerry
Eugene Joseph O Neill, born 22 Feb 1871, Kerry
Patrick Joseph O’Neill, born 6 Aug 1872, Kerry

Possible:
Parents: Eugene H ONeill and Kate H Morris

Mary Theresa O'Neill, born 30 Sep 1868, Kerry

Note that you have three different spellings of the surname:
ONeill O Neill O'Neill

I only looked at these three variations although there were many other variations. Be sure to treat these records with caution as transcription errors may have occurred. You can look at the indexes yourself by ordering them at a local Family History Centre (Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints).

Brenda

[get2BJ]

I just wondered if you were aware of the customary Irish naming pattern that can be helpful in 'assuming' the names of previous generations:

First born son named after his father's father
Second born son named after his mother's father
Third born son named after his father
Fourth born son named after his father's oldest brother
Fifth born son named after his father's 2nd oldest brother
or his mother's oldest brother

First born daughter named after her mother's mother
Second born daughter named after her father's mother
Third born daughter named after her mother
Fourth born daughter named after her mother's oldest sister
Fifth born daughter named after her mother's 2nd oldest sister
or her father's oldest sister

Hope this helps you sort it all out,

Brenda

[Kate Allan]

You found him! And given me the names of two of his siblings. Thankyou!

The first set of Eugene and Catherine were the right ones! How did you find the names of the other children, is there a knack to using the IGI? Never used it before!

Yes. I became aware of naming patterns when unearthing my husband's Scottish line, last week! I have wondered if , in fact, Francis Joseph was indeed the oldest. I suppose there may have been an older, then deceased sibling called Eugene.

I'm trying to trace from my uncle's handwritten (very spidery) notes and he had made note of a Catherine Morris, but then he mentioned another Cate Morris! Which only confused me ( something that is starting to happen a lot!)

CHeers,
Kate

[get2BJ]

is there a knack to using the IGI? Never used it before!

Yes! If you only want the IGI then from the home page select search on the tabs that run accross the top of the page. Then down the left side select IGI which is the 3rd one down. This gives you a search page where you can specify location right down to the county that the person was born, married or died in. If you can't find your people in Kerry for instance you could widen the search to the next county or the whole of Ireland. People travelled to where there was work, food/no famine etc so it's always worth a look elsewhere.

If you search from the home page you will get a large return of results which include all the indexes which are on the left side of the search page. I find it easier to search on just IGI or just census etc, as it keeps the results manageable.

Just remember that unless they are extracted files, they could be inaccurate due to the submitter's faulty records or even complete fabrication due to wishful thinking. Even extracted files could have transcription errors. Use it as a guide as to where to look and check the facts for yourself in the original sources.

Brenda

[get2BJ]

made note of a Catherine Morris, but then he mentioned another Cate Morris!

Kate

I do think this is the same person, as the name Catherine/Katherine is often shortened to Kate. When you check the IGI you will see that individual's parents are shown and you can build up a picture of whole family groups. In the past I have opened every entry for Barnes for example in a county and I now have lists of every family group with that name including the mother's maiden name.

Brenda

[get2BJ]

there may have been an older, then deceased sibling called Eugene.

Kate

I agree. But when you look you'll see there are a number of Eugene O'Neills, more than I would have imagined. Perhaps they were all cousins/uncles and the family got fed up with the name and then had a change of heart when the third son was born and named him after his father as per the pattern.

Good luck with this line. There seems to be good coverage of Kerry, wish I was so lucky with my lot!

Brenda