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    Default William Stewart Orr & Annie Craig - Kilbirnie, Ayrshire

    William Stewart Orr and Annie Craig from Kilbirnie families and settled in Mt Sterling, North Carolina.

    Williams dob is given as 1857 dod as 1889. (He died young - 32 - through a logging accident.)
    Conflicting information I've received gives his mother's name as Janet Orr, another Mary Orr.

    I'm struggling to get both father and mother for William.

    Is there anyone 'doing' Orrs?

    Thanks for any assistance.

    James.

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    Hello James,
    Please forgive me being a little slow, I think you are saying that William and Annie married and went to Carolina.
    William was born in 1857.
    Do you know when and where they married and when they emigrated?

    There is a William Orr in the 1861 Scotland Census.
    Name: William Orr
    Age: 3
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
    Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild)
    Mother's Name: Elisabeth
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Registration Number: 596
    Registration district: Kilbirnie
    Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
    County: Ayrshire
    Address: W Lochridge
    ED: 2

    Household schedule number: 13
    Line: 7
    Roll: CSSCT1861_86
    Household Members: Name Age
    Thomas Calderwood 30
    John Mildoun 16
    Elisabeth Orr 21
    Isabel Orr 25
    James Orr 78
    Margt Orr 64
    Mary Orr 46
    Robert Orr 29
    William Orr 3

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    The confusion is probably because there are two William Orr's in the 1871 Census for Scotland.
    Name: William Orr
    Age: 13
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
    Relationship: Nephew
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Registration Number: 596
    Registration district: Kilbirnie
    Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
    County: Ayrshire
    Address: West Lochridge
    Occupation: Farmer's Nephew
    ED: 2

    Household schedule number: 5
    Line: 11
    Roll: CSSCT1871_111
    Household Members: Name Age
    Margaret Clark 23
    Donald McKeachnie 25
    Elizabeth Orr 31
    Margaret Orr 74
    Robert Orr 39
    William Orr 13

    This is the same family as above in 1861

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    The other William

    Name: William Orr
    Age: 13
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
    Relationship: Son
    Mother's Name: Janet
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Registration Number: 596
    Registration district: Kilbirnie
    Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
    County: Ayrshire
    Address: Bank Street
    Occupation: Scholar
    ED: 6

    Household schedule number: 179
    Line: 20
    Roll: CSSCT1871_111
    Household Members: Name Age
    Deborah Orr 18
    Helen Orr 37
    Janet Orr 56
    Jeanie Orr 32
    William Orr 13

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    The relationships for 1861 may be useful to you.

    Elisabeth Orr
    abt 1840 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire Daughter James and Margaret

    Isabel Orr
    abt 1836 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire Daughter James and Margt

    James Orr
    abt 1783 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Head Husband of Margaret

    Margt Orr
    abt 1797 Largs, Ayrshire
    Wife of James

    Mary Orr
    abt 1815 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire Daughter of James and Margt

    Robert Orr
    abt 1832 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Son of James and Margt

    William Orr
    abt 1858 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire Son of Elizabeth, Great Grandchild of of James and Margt

    Once we know the answers to the questions I asked in the beginning we can then try and take the next step to eliminate one or the other

    Lets hope this is your fellow as it gives another generation back.

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    Mutley, thanks for all your work. It is my understanding that William and Annie were indeed married but I only assume in Ayrshire. They arrived in N Carolina in the 1880's - can't at this stage narrow it down any closer. This is from a posting on Rootsweb's McEwing Message Board - the particular poster appears to be un-contactable as her email address is nbg. I've been trying to follow up with the more recent poster as well.

    I'll get a better look at your other messages now.

    Thanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mutley View Post
    Hello James,
    Please forgive me being a little slow, I think you are saying that William and Annie married and went to Carolina.
    William was born in 1857.
    Do you know when and where they married and when they emigrated?

    There is a William Orr in the 1861 Scotland Census.
    Name: William Orr
    Age: 3
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
    Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild)
    Mother's Name: Elisabeth
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Kilbirnie, Ayrshire
    Registration Number: 596
    Registration district: Kilbirnie
    Civil Parish: Kilbirnie
    County: Ayrshire
    Address: W Lochridge
    ED: 2

    Household schedule number: 13
    Line: 7
    Roll: CSSCT1861_86
    Household Members: Name Age
    Thomas Calderwood 30
    John Mildoun 16
    Elisabeth Orr 21
    Isabel Orr 25
    James Orr 78
    Margt Orr 64
    Mary Orr 46
    Robert Orr 29
    William Orr 3
    Last edited by Jan1954; 16-03-2008 at 11:31 PM. Reason: url to Ancestry

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    Hello,
    There are 3 William Orr's, the one born abt 1854 to John and Jessie is not yours. I have followed him through to 1901.

    I am still working on Janet's son and Elizabeth's son. I have them both in 1861 and 1871. It is the next one that will be interesting!
    If I find it.....

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    As an 'extra' to this, I had hoped that just maybe this Orr bunch were connected to my own.

    My Elizabeth Orr b 5th May, Chr 13th May 1813 Stoneyholm Farm, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire, Scotland

    Parents: George Orr (b about 1783) and Elizabeth McEwing (b about 1787). They were married 8th March 1808 Kilbirnie, Ayr, Scotland.

    I can see now they are not.
    I've actually just set up a forum for Orrs today - its very much incomplete as yet - had hoped it might have become a 'family affair' lol.

    James.

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    Hello James,
    I think I have gone about as far as I can, unfortunately I do not have full access to Scottish Records. I think the marriage of William and Annie is important to give the father's names.

    I would hazard a guess that your William is the son of Elizabeth born abt 1840, grandson of James and Margaret. He lives with mum and Uncle Robert in 1871 and then seems to disappear.

    I think that William, son of Janet is the one who goes on to marry Esther and is a plumber. William, son of John and Jessie goes on to be a medical practitioner and marries Katherine.

    Have not got back to an Elizabeth born 1813.

    Good Luck with your forum.

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    Hello

    On Scotlands People there is a birth certificate for a William Stewart Orr,born Ayr 1857.



    William Stewart Orr, 15th November, 1857


    ( looks like, South Lockridge ) Parish of Kilbirnie, County of Ayr

    illegitimate

    Mother's name - Mary Orr


    Mary registered the birth on 30th November


    Best wishes
    Anne

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