Records of National Insurance Numbers

[elainewilkinson]

Would anybody know if you can trace somebody with only a death cert through contacting a Records office of National Insuranc Numbers. I dont have my fathers number just his name.
I have drawn a blank with the Social Sevices Department, Birth Death Marrige records Department. The dock Yard and the Local Doctors surgery. My Dad died in 1965. Frederick Lock.
Is there any suh place that would hold records and would you know how to contact them
Thank You
Elaine

[Alan Welsford]

Hi Elaine,

Welcome.

I may be being dense, (quite normal!), but am not quite sure what you are after.

Do you just want to know what your dad's NI number was ? (Which I would have thought was just a case of contacting the Department of National Insurance - or whatever the latest name for the is !).

I don't understand the bit about "trace somebody" - what is it you are trying to do, please ?

Best wishes,

Alan

[Geoffers]

Would anybody know if you can trace somebody with only a death cert through contacting a Records office of National Insurance Numbers. I dont have my fathers number just his name.

If you are trying to trace your dad's ancestry, start with your birth certificate giving your parents' names and mum's maiden name. Then look for a marriages between the two.

A marriage certificate will give ages, your dad's estimated year of birth should roughly correspond with his age at death. Then you can start hunting for his birth certificate.

If you are trying to trace someone forward in time, the informant on a death certificate, or whoever - try looking for your chap's will.

[Barnzzz]

Hi Elaine, National Insurance Numbers are held centrally at the Department for Work and Pensions, however for Data Protection reasons I don't believe they can give a 3rd party any details. I think a National Insurance number would have limited, if any value in tracing someone in the UK.

Sue

[elainewilkinson]

Hi Elaine,


Welcome.

I may be being dense, (quite normal!), but am not quite sure what you are after.

Do you just want to know what your dad's NI number was ? (Which I would have thought was just a case of contacting the Department of National Insurance - or whatever the latest name for the is !).

I don't understand the bit about "trace somebody" - what is it you are trying to do, please ?

Best wishes,

Alan

Hi Alan it's not you. I am confussed so i am bound to confusse everybody else.
I have tried to find my fathers birth date. He died in 1965. i have his death cert, but no info on that except his death date. I have tried to find him with in medical records
but they have all gone now. I have tried the Dock Yard as he was a docker, but although they have started putting the employee's info card on there system that do not have my fathers details. I have contacted who buried him and the cemertary and they have no birth date. And because i dont know where he was born the BMD can not help me.
I have spoken to Social Serices who went through all the Fred Lock's on their data, but my father never received social services help. I know he was married and living in Barking area, but i can not go through the electrol roll as the offices they hold the records at have closed down for TWO YEARS to under go refurbishment. So i am trying to think of anouther way. He would have had a national Insurance Number...so i wondered would they be able to help with just a name and a place of residence, which was Barking and East Ham... and if so where would i contact, would it be local to where he lived or would the records be stored in a central office. I hope i have made sence now, and not just babbled on. Thank you for taking the time to try and help.
elaine

[Peter Goodey]

I have tried to find my fathers birth date. He died in 1965. i have his death cert, but no info on that except his death date.

1. The death certificate should show his age at death. From this you can calculate his approximate date of birth.

2. As Geoffers has recommended, you would be best off looking for his marriage certificate as a next step. This will allow you to refine the approximate date of birth and will also supply his father's name.

[Jan1954]

Hello Elaine,

NINos are issued by the DWP as mentioned earlier in this thread. The records are kept in a central office in Newcastle but are not released without very stringent checks - even for those of people who are dead.

The NINo is not likely to be of much use anyway, as records containing such are closed under various data protection clauses. Even then, it wouldn't give a link to his place of residence.

You have his death certificate. It should have his age at death on it. This would give you a rough idea as to when he was born. You have provided us with his name - how old was he when he died?

[Alan Welsford]

Hi Elaine,

No, you haven't babbled at all - don't worry!

We will try and help if we can.

I'm curious that you say you have your father's death certificate, but that it only contains a death date.

That sounds most unusual, and seems to imply it was recorded by someone other than a family member, who simply didn't know.

It ought to include...

When & where died
Name & Surname
Sex
Age (I think - I don't think it was yet at a time when date of birth is recorded)
Occupation
Cause of death
Signature, description and residence of informant
Date of registration
Registrars signature

I'm sure at least some of these must be present, even if his age is not.

Can you please tell us at least...
Registration district and any sub-district appearing at the top of the certificate.
When & where died
Name & Surname
What, if anything is in the age box - for, example does it say 'Unknown, or similar, or is it completely blank ?.
Name and details of the informant, (which may be a family member, or may just be a doctor).
Date of registration - This is important

At least with the name, the district where the death was registered, and the date it was registered, we can look at the indexes, and see if age is omitted from them, as well.

If it is, your quest is going to get harder, but not impossible, I think. Your next approach might be to try and locate his marriage, for example, which hopefully would give both an age, and details of his father. But let's check out the death registration first.....

Alan

[Alan Welsford]

Additionally, I've just checked, and for the 8 or so Frederick LOCKs who's deaths were registered in 1965, (or in the first quarter of 1966), all have a declared age recorded in the GRO indexes.

So I think that at least, should be on the death certificate.

Over to you!

Alan

[Geoffers]

I have tried to find my fathers birth date. He died in 1965. i have his death cert, but no info on that except his death date....I have tried the Dock Yard as he was a docker.......I know he was married and living in Barking area,.....so i wondered would they be able to help with just a name and a place of residence, which was Barking and East Ham...

Looking at the General Register Office (GRO) death index, there is a death recorded for a Frederick LOCK in the September quarter of 1965, the death was registered at East Ham and he was aged 56. Does that refer to your dad?

Next step is to find his marriage certificate. This will give his age, occupation, marital status and importantly, his dad's name and occuaption. Witnesses may be useful to know as well. DO you know how to go about looking for a marriage certificate? - If not, please ask.

By the way, I began with about as much information as you back in the early 1970s, when there wasn't the internet. I'm still going strong and have amassed lots of information - so worry not, there's a way to find out information and help you.