CHARLES WILLIAM CHALLEN

[pennydog]

Hi Karen,

Both of the marriages (Charles William and John Henry are on Ancestry's London Marriages 1754-1921). They both took place at All Souls Church in Marylebone.

West Ham and Lambeth are some way apart, Lambeth is much closer to Marylebone. My thinking that as the sons were married there the family could have moved further into London from Essex.

You could always order the death cert. from the GRO and not give the reference number and specify that the occupation must be shoe maker (if you do not know how to - just ask). If it is not the correct one the GRO will refund the cost - this does take about three weeks, not the usual week - but worth the wait as it avoids buying a cert which is not yours.

[suffolk sue]

From the parish registers of All Saints, West Ham

John Henry Challen
Charles William Challen
born February 8th and baptised February 20th, 1816
sons of John and Mary Ann
father a shoemaker.

[suffolk sue]

John Challen
Mary Ann Jones
both single and of the parish
by banns
10th July. 1810
witnesses
Jas L Gawter
Joh Seager
St. Mary Lambeth


This makes me think this is the right couple as when looking at the West Ham baps I came across another child with Jones as a middle name.

[suffolk sue]

There is a Mary Challen of about the right age in West Ham with a Sarah Challen aged 85yrs, maybe mother in law in 1841.

HO107/323/9/1
Folio 8, Page 9

All Saints West Ham

John Challen buried July 21st 1823, aged 43yrs.
Mary Challen buried 6th September, 1841, aged 55yrs.