Looking for Breens

[Breener]

Hi Ireland,
I really need ,I have hit so many that my heads about ready to fall off!!!! I am looking for a John Breen born 1842-43. he was my husbands gr-gr- grand father.
We have been able to find him in Lancashire England.

In the 1851 census, he was 8 years old and born in Ireland.
His mothers name was Margaret or Margret Breen.
She is listed as the head of the family.
He also had 3 brothers Patrick 7, Philip 4, and James 2.

Then we found him in the 1871 census and he was married to a Maria Jane Ramsden and they had 2 children. It would be great to find out who his father was and what happened to him, were they all were born.
So if someone over there can help out a Canadian who is just about ready to give up!!!!! I would be so very !!!
Thanks
Breener

[Mutley]

1861 Census Everton Lancs

John Breen was a Cotton Porter age 18 born Ireland.
Phillip was age 14 and a Bootmaker born Ireland.
James was age 11, born Ireland
They were the step sons of Margaret age 35 and John Grannell age 60 he was also a boot maker and they were both born in Ireland.
James I Grannell was their 2 year old son born in Liverpool.
Class: RG9; Piece: 2710; Folio: 8; Page: 14;

[Mutley]

I cannot see a marriage for Margaret Breen and John Grannell.

The nearest I can find is John Grannell married to Margaret Brew in Liverpool. Registered Oct, Nov, Dec of 1856 8b/496

[Breener]

Thanks Mutley,
Great work, Now if we could only find her first husband!!!!! I did find in the 1851 census that Margaret was listed as the head of the family. Wirral had found some records stating that Margaret was born in Carlow county and that the boys were born in Enniscrothy Co. Wexford, but again no husband. As for the marriage between Margaret and John, do you think that she would have gone back to using her maiden name (BREW)??? And the seach continues!!
Thanks again,
Kind regards
Breener

[jeeb]

Hi Breener,


The marriage of John Breen and Maria Jane Ramsden is registered:-

Apr/Jun 1864 at Liverpool vol 8b page 425.

This marriage certificate should name John's father.

Jeremy

[Mutley]

Hello
Margaret's maiden name could be Brew??
I looked at the original of the GRO index hoping it was a mistranscription. Brew and Breen are very close but it is quite clearly Brew. I don't know if it is possible that a mistake was made on the GRO index???

I presumed you had the marriage certificate that Jeremy found for John and Maria Ramsden seeing as you knew her maiden name. If you haven't I suggest it would be a good idea.

Good Luck

[Keewatin]

Breener
The marriage of John Grannell is also indexed on the Lancashire BMD site here
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi

Margaret is indexed as both Foley and Brew.

You could order the marriage cert from the Liverpool Register Office following the directions on the site. The marriage certs I have from the Lpool Reg Office are copies of the original. If this is the case then the certs would show their signatures and you could tell if Margaret was Brew or Breeen. Of course, they may have marked with a x and that may not tell you anything as they wouldn't have known if the name was spelled correctly or not.The marriage was "registry office or registrar attended" which means it was either at the Registry Office or at a RC or non-conformist church.

Another way to sort out if the Margaret who married John Grannell was Brew or Breen is to get the birth cert of a child of these two.There isn't one on freeBMD for James Grannell but there is one for Lawrence Joseph Grannell, Sept Q 1859 Liverpool 8b 205. (On the 1871 their child is listed as Lawrence J) This cert will have parents names and Margaret should appear as something like Margaret Grannell, late Breen(or Brew), formerly Foley.(No births for Lpool on Lancs BMD yet.)

If this pans out, you'd be looking for a Foley/ Breen marriage in Ireland about 1840s. I'll say no more
Keewatin

[jeeb]

Hi Breener,
Just to add to the confusion there is a submitted entry on the IGI giving the following marriage:-

Thomas F Brew & Margaret Foley. 1840 Diocese of Kilaloe, Munster Province.


The only thing that comes to mind is that Margaret possibly left her husband for some reason and came to England and changed her name to cover tracks.

Jeremy

[Breener]

You guys are amazing!!! O.K. is this how it goes, Margaret Foley married a ____ Breen in Ireland. Divorced him,or he died or she run from him with her 4 boys to Liverpool. Met John Grannell, married and had 2 other children with him. Have I got that straight???
I'm going to order the marriage certificate of John and Maria to-day.We have to find out who Johns father was!!!
Thanks again,you are all great!!!!
Kind regards,
Breener

[Breener]

Hello everyone!
Well I have just recieved the marriage records of Margaret Brew or Breen and John Grannell. I am real not sure if they are the right people? On the certificate it states that they were married in 1856 and Margaret was 32 yrs old and that John was 48 yrs old. They both signed it with an X, Margarets father was Patrick Foley a butcher. In the 1861 census Margaret was 35yrs old and John was 60 yrs old. There is just too much difference in the ages for it to be the same people don't you all think? I'm not sure what to do next? Any ideas!!!!!
Kind regards,
Breener