Motcombe Dorset - Wooldridge family

[birdlip]

...and here's Fredericks death, so Annie Kate was a widow when she married your grandfather. (You were wondering what your next surprise would be!)

freebmd deaths;

Dec Qu 1901 BARNHOUSE Frederick 29 Cardiff 11a 221

You should be able to find them in the 1901 census. They were married for three years, so there were probably a couple of children.

I hope you've been saving up, you've got quite a few certificates to order now. Good luck, let us all know how you get on!

regards birdlip

[brianb]

Hi Birdlip

wow, you have the knack on this searching, and yes all this has worked out. Never thought of leaving out the surname as it was correct.

Yesterday I emailed the local registry office to ask if the ancestry file was incorrect as I knew Anna Kate WAS a Peters (there are a few other Peters in the family still alive, distant relatives of my father). the registry office did confirm the marriage was to Frederick John Barnhouse and the couple lived in Llantrithyd (small village where my dad was from), possible two daughters, Rose and May, the records for the area are vague but are available in the Cardiff Archives so I will go along next time I have the opportunity to check.
I do recall an "Auntie May" so thats a strong possibility.

I also now know my dads fathers marriage so can get that record and hopfully it will allow me to track him back a bit further (my family have too many common names, such as Baker and Evans, makes searching tough !) Various family members have said they thing George was from Suffolk, Norfolk, Sussex or Dorset, not too many English Counties left after all that ! Will see what the marraige certificate gives me.

My thanks again and I hope your own search is as succesful

Regards

Brian

[birdlip]

Fantastic Brian, very pleased I could help.

regards birdlip

[Lynnes]

I am a direct descendant of Fortunata and Henry Munday on my father's side.

Fortunata was indeed born in Corfu and came over to be in sevice (probably at Port Regis House, now the Port Regis prep school). Corfu and Greece at that time was still part of the British Empire I believe.

The Barton was a farm/brickyard on the Gillingham-Shaftesbury road (part of the parish of Motcombe). Henry died in an accident - he was haymaking and standing atop the haycart, when the horse bolted and he was knocked off the top by a tree branch and broke his neck/back. (This was told to my father by his grandfather who would have been Henry and Fortunata's son, Arthur Stephen).

Henry was born in Bishopstone in Wiltshire (not far from Tisbury and about ten miles from Salisbury on the Salisbury Plain - south side)

It is likely the reason why you find so many people "living" with Fortunata as head of the household is that she, and her sons, continued the business of farming and brickmaking and these were the hired hands who lived on the farm etc.

My link is:

Fortunata and Henry (b1815), Arthur Stephen (b1858), Harold Stephen (my grandfather) b1892, Harold (my father) b 1926. That makes Fortunata and Henry my great-great-grandparents.

My father says he can remember his father telling him his grandmother (Fortunata) used to curse his grandfather in Greek!

As far as I can, I have checked this out via census records 1901 through to 1851 and it ties in with what my father told me as a child!

Henry and Fortunata's children were:

Bethia Munday b 1844 Shaftesbury
George Munday b 1846 Motcombe
Joseph Munday b 1848 Motcombe
Charles Munday b 1849 Motcombe
Frank J Munday b 1850 Motcombe
Robert J Munday b 1852 Motcombe
Albert Munday b 1855 Motcombe
William Munday b 1857 Motcombe
Arthur S Munday b 1858 Motcombe

In the 1861 census Henry is described as "Brickyard holder employing 13 men and 2 boys"

My father has a sister born in 1931 who emigrated to America and I have 5 cousins who live there. They too are tracing the family tree from "their end".

I dont know if any of the above information is of help to you but it is fascinating to see other people tracing "my" relatives!

Lynne


[/I]

Hi there
I have family in Dorset (Shaftesbury / Motcombe area) who I can trace back to present day via the grand daughter Anna Kate, my fathers mother.
these are from 1881 census:
Lot Wooldridge b donhead 1809 married ann tucker 1836.
daughter Angelina Wooldridge b Shaftsbury 1856, married Samuel Peters.
grand daughter Anna Kate b shaftsbury 1879
all living with (head of house) Fortunata Munday (b Corfu 1816) in The Barton, Motcombe.

Now, the census has no surname for Anna Kate but I know she went on to live with Angelina and Samuel Peters, taking their surname. I am assuming she was Angelinas daughter (prior to marriage) as later census say so but I cannot track her birth certificate to check parentage.

Anyone know a way forward here, also cannot track Lots birth details (maybe Tisbury / Wardour), also what is "The Barton" in Motcombe ?

Cheers folks

Brian

[brianb]

Lynnes
thanks for this wonderful information, I will add afew bits and bobs tomorrow, but in the meantime you may want to see the John Constable painting, with The Barton in the background (barely visible but there all the same)

see this link:

http://www.brwebsites.com/gillingham.museum/john.htm

Regards

Brian

[QUOTE=Lynnes;137413]I am a direct descendant of Fortunata and Henry Munday on my father's side.

[brianb]

Hi Lynne
Thanks for a great piece of family history on the Munday's, brings the past into perspective with these tails. It is good that some families "talk" to each other !
I can see how my "Wooldridges" now lived with Fortunata (I had wondered why she was on her own when the family were around).
Just wondered where Fortunata's maiden name (Roberts I believe) came from, although at the moment I can imagine she is cursing me in Greek for being nosey.
Have a nice day.
Brian

[Lynnes]

Here is an extractg from an email I received today:

"Fortunata was the daughter of Samuel and Leonora Roberts the latter having been born in Sicily in 1783. Samuel was a soldier serving in the Med. during the Napoleonic Wars and one can trace him thro Malta, Sicily and the Ionian Islands.
Fortunata's first child was Mary Ann Roberts (sic) christened in Shaftesbury in June 1837.
Fortunata did not come here to go in service as has been suggested. She merely came here with her parents when the Regiment (I believe the 35th Reg. of Foot - Dorsetshires and later called the Sussex Reg) returned to the UK in Oct.1817 after 17 consecutive years of service in the Med.
Have a look at the 1841 census and you will see Samuel Roberts described as an Army Pensioner.
The person listed as "Noah" is in fact Leonora (note her age under female column) and you will also see 4 year old Mary Ann, their grandaughter!
Mary Ann (whose father I firmly believe was Henry Munday in view of things stated in later census returns and on her marriage certificate) married Elijah Gray, my g.g.grandfather and he was the brickyard proprietor after Henry Munday's death."

Seems like Fortunata was half British, half Italian by parentage BUT Greek by place of birth ie. Corfu, which at that time was part of the British Empire, hnece the original confusion in my family that our relative was from Sicily!

Do let me know if you find anything else - I will pass on what I find out too!

Best wishes

Lynne

[Derek Wheeler]

Hi Lynne
Just found this site,Henry Munday was my g.g.grandfather also,who died 17 October 1865 Brick Kiln Motcombe, Disease of liver stomach Spleen.a Thomas Tapper in attendance High St.Shaftesbury.
Leonora Roberts died 7 February 1887 age 103 Fortunata in attendance,she was known as the old Sicilian lady,my thoughts are Fortunata was born in Cefalou Sicily?
George g.grandfather Joseph Henry grandfather Gladys my mother.
Fortunata died 22 January 1895 age 78 Mary Ann Gray in attendance brickyard Motcombe
Samuel Roberts died 26 April 1846 a Caroline Roberts in attendance,I know Samuel had at least 2 boys who both married a Caroline,I cannot find where they was born?
all the best Derek

[brianb]

[QUOTE=Lynnes;137413]I am a direct descendant of Fortunata and Henry Munday on my father's side.

Good day Lynnes, and Derek.

can you please offer me a little help. I have been trying to locate my grandfather, George Baker, who had a disagreement with his family and left home. I have no knowledge of where he lived etc, prior to his marriage, but understood he came to South Wales, following a family he knew who moved here.

Now, my grandmother Anna Kate and her mother and grandfather, Angelina Woolridge and Lot Woolridge all lived with the Mundays at The Barton in 1881(see the original posting above).

I have just found a 13 year old George Baker running away from home in 1892, who then went on to live with George H Munday and his wife Susan Munday in Bermondsey, London in 1901.

It is probably just a coincidence, but the fact is both my grandmother's family (who definately lived at The Barton with Fortunata Munday) and this George Baker both lived with a family of "Mundays".

Hence I was wondering if you are aware of any link between the Motcombe Mundays and the Bermondsey Mundays ? If there is a link it may well be that this George moved to "The Barton" then followed his future wife to South Wales.

It is certainly a long shot, but at the moment it is the only one I have, hence any thoughts either way is appreciated.

Many thanjs

Brian

[angelcake]

Dear All

Well now things are begining to surface from the memory - my grandma Lilian Chamberlain married Fred Morgan who was the son of Mary Petty & Charles Morgan. Mary Petty was the daughter of Mary Ann Wooldridge (MAW is sister to Lot). Lilian was in service in 1901 to a family in London - the head was from the Scamell {The owner was Alfred George Scamwell a Wheelwright, Vans, Carts and Motor Wagon Builder (born Highgate Middlesex) and his wife Alice Scott Scamwell (born Shaftesbury Dorset)}
(lorries have the name on the front) there is also another well to do family and that is Summerfield (supermarkets) who married the Bakers from Shaftesbury - so perhaps that is the Boarding School link - I really need to have a rummage through all the papers and get everything scanned on to discs!

Hear from you all soon

angelcake