Birth William Henry Probyn

[Bendigo Gal]

My great Grandfather William Henry Probyn was born in London England (so it says on his marriage cert.) about 1834. His father Thomas Probyn and mother Charlotte. I have found a Thomas and Charlotte Probyn on the 1841 census with sons Alfred and Arthur but no William in St. Mary Newington. ???? There is a William Probyn as an appren. on the 1851 census which could be my William. He has come to Australia at some stage but have had no luck in finding when or where he came too.
Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks, Rhonda.

[ChristineR]

William's death certificate should tell you how long he had been in Australia, and if he had spent time in other states other than the one he died in.

Is that your William who married Alice ALBERT/ALLERT in Victoria in 1876? the index showing he was born in London. This certificate should have his mother's maiden name (there are exceptions).


Christine

[Jan1954]

Hello Bendigo Gal,

The 1841 census has a William Henry Probyn at what looks like Dunstan House (something or other) in St Peters, Ramsgate, Kent, aged 9, not born in the county.

HO 107/468/19

Maybe someone who is better used to translating this handwriting could help.

The above looks like a school, so could the family have been rich enough that he could have been a boarder?

Jan

[Sue Mackay]

It's definitely a school. What is more when I put in Probyn Soundex to find it (William is down as Proby) it brought up Thomas George Probyn aged 11 at the same school. I see that Thomas Senior was a publican, so may well have been able to send his eldest two sons to school and later buy an apprenticeship for William.

[Sue Mackay]

I'm half way through a convoluted trail here and am not sure whether it's being helpful or leading you up the garden path.... but I am now VERY intigued as to what something says in the 1851 and would like a second opinion!

I put in a search on the IGI and found a likely birth for Alfred Probyn, the son living with Thomas and Charlotte aged 7 in 1841.

Birth 9 July 1833
Baptism 27 Nov 1834 St.Mary's St.Marylebone Road
Parents: Thomas and Charlotte Probyn

I entered the batch number and looked for other Probyn entries in the same register. There was a baptism on the same day (27 Nov 1834) for an Edwin Probyn, son of Thomas and Charlotte, who possibly died in infancy. However, there were numerous children born around that time to George and Alicia Probyn.

In the 1851 census for Marylebone George and Alicia are living with several of these children and George was born in Gloucestershire

HO107; Piece: 1489; Folio: 525; Page: 14

What I cannot make out is what it says under his profession. It looks very like 'Elder brother of French House'

[Jan1954]

Ooh, Sue - you got me intrigued too!

Yes, it definitely looks like 'Elder brother of French House'. I checked 1861 to see if there were any further clues but Alicia is a widow by then and just recorded as "Fundholder". Tuh!

I have this vision of George having all these younger sisters doing the Can-can...

[Mutley]

I am sure I could find a suitable 'Can Can' picture but maybe not today

I was wondering what residence they were living in as most occupations seemed to be servants. This link shows a picture of the square as it is today and a map.

http://www.opensquares-loirevalleywi...Bryanston.html

There must have been large old houses but I cannot yet find a reference to a French House

[Jan1954]

On another look, could it be Fruit House? As in a company of some sort? The neighbours seem to be well-heeled and involved in things like the East India Company. It would also explain why Alicia was a Fundholder in 1861.

[Mutley]

Lots of reading here - a picture and some very old maps.
On page 13 numbers 1-21 are briefly mentioned.


http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docst...th%20cover.pdf

[Sue Mackay]

On another look, could it be Fruit House? As in a company of some sort? The neighbours seem to be well-heeled and involved in things like the East India Company. It would also explain why Alicia was a Fundholder in 1861.

Yes I wondered about fruit. Also wondered if it could be Jesuit, with the brother being in a religious sense, but did they have wives and families?

I have found George in 1841 indexed as Robyn
HO107; Piece 679; Book: 4
but he is just down as Ind, ie Independent
He is with Alicia, whose maiden name was MacNaghton according to the IGI, and their two youngest children, Elliot and Letitia. Dighton and Lesley (Lily in the 1851 but he was a boy) were at school in Walthamstow and Francis b 1829 was at school in Finchley, so they were obviously wealthy enough to send their children to boarding schools. Maybe there is a connection to Bendigo Gal's Probyns after all.