Essex Parish registers - Help offered

[Wilkes_ml]

I have the following fiche, which I am happy to search for specific queries. I am transcribing for FreeReg, so when transcribed I can search for surnames in the spreadsheet.

Black Notley C,M,B 1751-1812 D/P 150/1/3

Debden CMB 1746-1805 D/P 242/1/3
Debden C,B 1794-1812 D/P 242/1/4
Debden Marriages 1789-1812 D/P 242/1/6
Debden C 1813-1845 D/P 242/1/7
Debden Burials 1813-1860 D/P 242/1/8
Debden Marriages 1813-1837 D/P 242/1/9

Feering C,M,B 1707-1780 D/P 231/1/2
Feering C,B 1781-1812 D/P 231/1/3
Feering M,Banns 1754-1779 D/P 231/1/4
Feering C 1813-1864 D/P 231/1/5
Feering Burials 1813-1873 D/P 231/1/6

Great and Little Henny C 1813-1871 D/P 367/1/4

Great Bardfield CMB 1730-1793 D/P 67/1/2
Great Bardfield C,B 1793-1812 D/P 67/1/3

Great Leighs (St. Mary the Virgin) C,M,B 1704-1812 D/P 137/1/5
Great Leighs (St. Mary the Virgin) Marriages 1754-1811 D/P 137/1/6
Great Leighs (St. Mary the Virgin) C 1813-1852 D/P 137/1/7
Great Leighs (St. Mary the Virgin) Marriages 1813-1837 D/P 137/1/9
Great Leighs (St. Mary the Virgin) Burials 1813-1883 D/P 137/1/10

Halstead (St. Andrews) C,M 1744-1800 D/P 96/1/6
Halstead (St. Andrews) C 1800-1812 D/P 96/1/7
Halstead (St. Andrews) C 1813-1827 D/P 96/1/12
Halstead (St. Andrews) Marriages 1813-1830 D/P 96/1/16

Little (Bardfield) Saling CMB 1743-1788 D/P 297/1/2
Little (Bardfield) Saling C,B 1743-1812 D/P 297/1/3

Pattiswick C 1813-1878 D/P 354/1/4

Rayne CMB 1740-1832 D/P 126/1/6

Stisted CMB 1726-1764 D/P 49/1/4
Stisted C,B 1765-1790 D/P 49/1/5
Stisted C,B 1791-1812 D/P 49/1/6
Stisted C 1809-1843 D/P 49/1/7
Stisted Marriages 1755-1812 D/P 49/1/8
Stisted Burials 1813-1859, D/P 49/1/11
Stisted Marriages 1813-1837 D/P 49/1/12
Stisted Burials 1860-1989 D/P 49/1/21
White Notley CMB 1782-1812 D/P 39/1/4


Michelle

[Brian Hobin]

Hello Michelle;
I am not sure what your offer includes but here is my question. Would you be able to look into Parish Records for the names of Frederick and Sarah CROFT? They gave birth to my mother Kathleen CROFT at 69 Windsor Road in Ilford in Essex.
When Kathleen was age 2 or 3 (a guess), Federick was apparently killed and she was moved to the home of William and Mary Johnson at 55 Arliss Road in Battersea. (subsequently in 1911 this became 279 Eversleigh Road.
Kathleen attended St. Bartholomew Church of England which was within walking distance.
Anyway, just a thought to see if this falls into your work. Essentially I am tryng to discover who my maternal GP's were and a little of their story.
Regards
Brian Hobin

[Wilkes_ml]

Quote: "Would you be able to look into Parish Records for the names of Frederick and Sarah CROFT".

Could I have a bit more detail? Ideally a year range and parish would be good. I guess you should have the birth certificate for Kathleen, and a marriage certificate for her parents Frederick & Sarah. Have you located them in the census to find where they were born or were living?

Frederick and Sarah's marriage certificate should provide their father's names and Sarah's maiden name, to enable you to find their births. What event was you requiring, baptism, marriage, or burial? For burials you would need a good idea when death occurred and where the person was last living to narrow it down a bit.

I have only the parish's listed above for the time periods listed, and as yet have not transcribed them all to have a searchable database - that could be a few years off yet!

Hope this helps

Michelle

[Peter Goodey]

This doesn't seem to be an obvious case for parish registers. Your mother's birth certificate will provide her mother's maiden name. Armed with that, you can find her parents' marriage and so on.

[Brian Hobin]

Hello Peter and thank you for your response.
I have my mother's (Kathleen) birth certificate and on it her mother's maiden name was SCALES. Beyond that I am stuck and have been for years.
I went through books/lists of marriages from 1885 to 1905 and found no referenece to thier marriage. The familoy myth is that Frederick was killed in South Africa during the Boer war.
I was able to locate a death certificate for a Frederick CROFT but this man was a member of a South African Regiment and not a reservist on active service as stated on my mother's birth certificate. This cannot be my maternal G.F. As a thought is there a way of accesssing reservist military records?
I believe that my next task is to check the census to see who lived in the Johnson home andif there are any clues there.
If you have any advice, I would appreciate hearing it.
Regards
Brian Hobin

[Brian Hobin]

HI Michelle; mo I donot have any other documents (marriage or death) regarding Frederick and Sarah. My mother Kathleen married in 1917 and moved to Canada. In the 1920's she returned to England with my two sisters but apparently her mother (Sarah) would not see her. Sarah may have been a house servant but of that I am not sure. My mother said that Sarah worked in a hospital by the sea.
Looking at the dates that you are working with for the first time, I know now that they are far earlier than the late 1800's time frame that I am trying to research. Sorry.
If by the by you should come across any information or have advice on how I could proceed in any way, your words would be most appreciated.
Regards
Brian

[Peter Goodey]

I think I'd want to know more about that death you found before discounting it. Presumably you found it in the GRO "overseas" indexes?

One possibility is the Records of Soldiers' Effects at the National Army Museum. "They are very useful for Boer War ancestry. There are indexes by name of soldier (not necessary to know the regiment) and the registers themselves record the following information: Full name, Regimental number and rank, date and place of death, place of birth, date of enlistment, trade on enlistment, next of kin as stated by regiment OR by will, name of legatee, to whom authorised, and amount authorised."

If the family needed financial help - and they probably did - it would usually be well worthwhile looking at the local Poor Law records. This would have been the responsible body for fostering out. Unfortunately next to nothing useful has survived among the Romford Union records. Seriously bad news.

I don't know if this is any good:
https://www.casus-belli.co.uk/index.asp?PageId=116

[Wilkes_ml]

Hi Brian,

Out of curiosity, was Kathleen born in December quarter 1900 ? If this is your mother, then do you have her in the 1901 census? On the ancestry index, I see a Kathlan (mis-spelt) Croft born at Essex in 1900. Unfortunately, my subscription has expired, and I didn't realise that the other site I subscribed to, didn't have 1901!!! If you have the 1901 census, are there other children? Do you know whether your mother had brother's or sisters? If you obtain a siblings birth certificate, it may have a different maiden name on it. My great grandfather's birth certificate came back with the name Selmar, but it was supposed to be Selmes. And I've had one woman who had been married previously, but insisted on using her maiden name (CORNWELL) when registering the births of her children from her second "marriage" (DENNISON) . Took me four certificates before I found one which had her previous married name (BULL) ( I still can't find the marriage though!!!)

Anyway - sometimes, you need to go at it in a round about way!

[Wilkes_ml]

A bit off topic now, but curiosity got the better of me, and I found 6 month old Kathleen Croft (born Ilford, Essex) in 1901 at 55 Arliss Road, Battersea. She was a nurse child of John and Mary Johnson, which doesn't help. So, I guess she was being fostered for some reason - it is possible that her mother Sarah never married Frederick. Coincidentally maybe, there is a 28 year old Sarah Croft, single and working as a servant in Batteresa. Was it Sarah, or Frederick who registered Kathleen's birth?

I doubt if Kathleen was baptised at Ilford as she was in Battersea by 6 months of age, but you could get in touch with Essex record office to see if they can provide Ilford Baptisms on fiche. The reference no for Ilford is D/P 623/1/1 (baptisms 1900-1913). You may be lucky, and it may be there, or alternatively, she may have been baptised or received into the church at Battersea.

Michelle

[Peter Goodey]

This thread seems to be retreading an old path

https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...ead.php?t=3944