London location name changes since the 1851 census.

[Donald NZ]

London location name changes since the 1851 census.

The address at the time of the 1851 census; was “Goods Place, Trinity, Surrey, Newington”

It seems Newington is now London..

There appear to have been two changes since Newington was created in 1837 and it seems the Registration District is now called Southwark.

I am searching for a way of identifying where Goods Place was or is located on a map, or what sort of maps would assist me to identify Goods Place.

Donald NZ

[Ken Boyce]

From the 1851 Census Street Index

Goods Place - Tiverton Street - Brandon Row - Newington Causeway

Look for the Elephant and Castle on a modern Map and you will see the Causeway

[Ken Boyce]

I did some more checking and Goods Place is listed in all the census indexes 1851 - 1901 From 1861 onwards it is in the Registration District of St Saviour

In the 1901 it is listed as Goods Court or Place on or near Tiverton St

It is not listed in the Index to the Motco 1863 Stanford Map but Tiverton is If Tiverton is not listed in the sample index for online map search for something in sector 18,14 or one of the streets given in my previous posting

I could not locate Goods Place/Court on a modern map and it is not listed in the Dickinson Index to the early 20C Godfrey maps which may suggest that it was gone shortly after 1901

There is the possibility that it is a residential complex. In which case it will not normally show on a map but could show in a street directory In this case most likely somewhere on Tiverton St The notes in forepages of the census Enumeration District would also provide clues to pinpoint the location
Regards

[Elly]

There appear to have been two changes since Newington was created in 1837 and it seems the Registration District is now called Southwark

I am searching for a way of identifying where Goods Place was or is located on a map, or what sort of maps would assist me to identify Goods Place

In the 1851 census, Goods Place was enumerated in the same ED as Brandon Row and Tiverton Street. It comes between 49 and 51 Tiverton Street. This area is just east of Newington Causeway, very close to Newington Gaol. I can't find Goods Place marked on any map, which may support the theory that it was a terrace of dwellings on Tiverton Street itself. You can see Tiverton Road (perhaps = Street?) easily enough on Cross's New Plan of 1850.

http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cross/cross12.htm
(south-east corner of the map square - click to enlarge)

You mentioned changes of name in this area. As regards civil registration districts (RDs), this came under Newington RD until 1870, when the whole of Newington RD was incorporated into St Saviour Southwark RD. In 1902 St Saviour Southwark RD, with all its constituent parts, was renamed Southwark. Is that what you had in mind?

The census however does not refer to RDs but is arranged according to civil parishes, which were loosely based on ecclesiastical parishes. In 1851 these streets were in the civil parish of Trinity Newington. You can see Holy Trinity Church in Trinity Square on the above-mentioned map, just to the east of the gaol.

In general terms Newington is now considered part of Southwark. Both Southwark and Newington were in the county of Surrey until 1889, when they were subsumed into London along with all the other 'metropolitan' parts of Surrey, Middlesex, Kent and Essex.

Hope that clarifies

Elly

[Mutley]

Take a look here, Tiverton Road is just under Newington Road, to the left of the County Jail. (If I was clever I could add an arrow . This is in 1865.

[Mutley]

Elly, You beat me to the rest, so I won't say no more......

[Elly]

Elly, You beat me to the rest, so I won't say no more......

Well, don't feel constrained, Mutley. Your posts are always worth reading!

In terms of maps, have you seen David Hale's new upload to his MAPCO site, Cary's New Plan of 1837? I think it's the best yet.

http://archivemaps.com/mapco/cary1837/cary.htm

Elly

[Mutley]

Well, don't feel constrained, Mutley. Your posts are always worth reading!

In terms of maps, have you seen David Hale's new upload to his MAPCO site, Cary's New Plan of 1837? I think it's the best yet.

Elly

Thank you, one tries And also thanks for the map, as my lot are Southwark I just love the maps. Have a big one on my wall with arrows to all the grotty holes mine dug themselves into

[Donald NZ]

Thank you Ken, Elly and Mutley for the information you have provided.

I had expected the information I was searching for would come from a person who was living in London. To find that the information I was seeking came from as far a-field as Canada and Portugal I found most surprising.
Thank you so much for putting in the time to resolve my location question. I had spent days trying to figure out the location and the three of you seem to have had the location sussed so quickly. I am most impressed. Thank you once again
Donald NZ

[Ken Boyce]

Maybe it becos i'm a lundunar that i luv lundun tarn.........