info from St. Philips church Lancashire

[mykin]

Hello, In searching for my gr. gr. gr. grandparents I am lost on what to do next. Caleb James Wroe ( gr. gr. )b.1830 in West Derby. Baptised at St. Silas church. His father was *JAMES WROE* and that is who I am seeking now.All I know is his name and birth approx. is 1800. Would there be any information at the library with this bit of information?? Is West Derby in the location of St. Silas Church? Thank you, doe/canada

[SharonK]

St Silas church appears to be in Toxteth Park which was in the sub-district of West Derby between 1837 and 1880 see links...

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/index.html

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/...h/indexph.html

This church wasn't open though in 1800 so his father's baptism couldn't be there.

Do you have them on the 1841 census?

Sharon

[SharonK]

sorry me again...

looking at the IGI I am thinking that Caleb James Wroe was baptised aged 15 at St John's, Old Haymarket, Liverpool and it was his son Caleb William Wroe that was baptised at St Silas in 1851??

Incidentally, if you don't have the info, I found Caleb Wroe on the 1841 census as a male servant to a wine merchant Robert Nixon in Liverpool aged 10.

hope this helps a bit, might try and keep digging for you

[SharonK]

me again...

I think its likely that James Rowe married Hannah Whit at St Peter, Liverpool 26 Aug 1819 as there is only one James Rowe in Liverpool in 1841 and he is married to a Hannah. No 100% definite though. I know that doesn't tell you when he was born but its a bit more info if you didn't already have it.

Sharon

[mykin]

Hi sharonk, Many thanks for your help. I was just going to go online to see if anyone had access to census 1841. On Caleb James (and wife Alice) marriage cert.it just gave the father, *James.* Among Caleb James children there is the first girl named Hannah, so I think that you got that one right on.What is IGI?....Another son, John L was found at your library, d.o.b. 1850.....Caleb William no d.o.b. but baptised 1851 at St. Silas ....something seems wrong here.... all the other children were baptised at St. Peters. So if James first two? sons were baptised at St Silas, James must have lived in the area then. I wonder if James got married in St. Silas? That is where I am at now. I know that James had one son Caleb James, and he married a Hannah.Any other help that you can help me with would be greatly appreciated. My grandfather always said the Wroe family came from Wales so I am very curious. doe

[SharonK]

You say the father is listed as James on Caleb's marriage certificate? Does it also give his occupation? If so is he a house painter?

Am trying to piece things together for you - just need as much info as you possibly have please.

Thanks!

Sharon

[mykin]

Hi sharonk, yes, the mar. cert. shows that James was a "painter." They all lived at/on Cheapside.(street, town?) (James born 1801, ancestry) You are very kind to help me, I thank you. doe

[uksearch]

Anybody heared of Wirral. I thought that she would have contributed to this thread. She doesn't seem to have been on for some time.

UK

[mykin]

Hi sharonk, me again. I was looking again at the job, and to me it looks like printer, so I emailed the registrar and they said it looked like painter. The pen seemed to blot a bit on the copy of the original. Also, Caleb's job was "publican" I will have to look that one up.I thank you again. Finding an answer is like Christmas Morn is it not? doe

[SharonK]

I have to apologise - I must have had a dizzy moment The marriage of James Wroe and Hannah Whit cannot be yours because its 1719 not 1819! Sorry! I misread it in my excitement of finding something that seemed to fit so well!!

I can't see a marriage that would fit in really - do you know his mother's name from anything at all? Its unfortunate that at the age of 10 he is already living out of the household so you cannot link him with his parents that way. And we must be careful as, believe it or not, there are two James and Hannah Wroe's in Lancashire! although one couple seem to be based around Middleton nr Oldham.

If we are to take it that James Wroe was a House Painter then I do have a James Wroe with that occupation living at 81 Peter St, Liverpool in 1851 with his wife Hannah both aged 57. He is from Salford (which is nr Manchester) and she is from Liverpool. This would make them both born around 1794 and there is a baptism of a James Wroe on 2 Apr 1793 at Holy Trinity Salford to a Thomas and Sarah Wroe. This is only speculative though and can't be taken as concrete information as its taken from the IGI (international genealogical index) which isn't a complete set of records.
%0 a James Wroe with that occupation living at 81 Peter St, Liverpool in 1851 with his wife Hannah both aged 57. He is from Salford (which is nr Manchester) and she is from Liverpool. This would make them both born around 1794 and there is a baptism of a James Wroe on 2 Apr 1793 at Holy Trinity Salford to a Thomas and Sarah Wroe. This is only speculative though and can't be taken as concrete information as its taken from the IGI (international genealogical index) which isn't a complete set of records.</P>
The same couple are at Dawson Ct (think its Ct for Court not St for Street) in Liverpool and with them they have a John Rowe aged 20 (rounded age) (also a Painter) and Betsy who is 2. Do you know the names of any of Caleb's brothers and sisters?

I can't see James and Hannah on the 1861 census but there are possibilties for their deaths in Liverpool on Free BMD between 1851 and 1861 but can't confirm it is definitely them.

This is proving harder than I thought....!