1871 Census - is there an index produced by anyone?

[Linda Bailey]

I am enjoying my 1871 census for Staffs which arrived last week (the clarity in comparision to the 1861 is fantastic), but I have been unable to find the two eldest children of my Shelley's
The Shelley family ran a pub: "The Bird in Hand" in Hilderstone. And the two oldest boys (Thomas H -age 3 and William - age 1) appear on the 1861 census living with their parents (William and Ann).
By the 1881 census Thomas is the Brewer at the Bird in Hand aged 23, and William is living with his parents at Leese House, Draycott In the Moors.

I have checked both locations and can't find either brother. Does anyone have access to an index where they could look up both William Shelley aged 11 and Thomas Houldcroft Shelley aged 13 in 1871?

Thank you very much.

Linda

[Procat]

Hi Linda,

I have just checked Ancestry online (not yet complete however) and could not pick them up in 1871 under Shelley or Shelly.

[Linda Bailey]

Hi Linda,

I have just checked Ancestry online (not yet complete however) and could not pick them up in 1871 under Shelley or Shelly.

Thank you very much for looking (and trying both surnames - that is how I lost one of them on the 1901 census).

Linda

[Pamela Hall]

There has been an index produced for the 1871 census for North Staffs.

I will check my index and get back to you.

Cheers
Pam
Stoke on Trent

[Pamela Hall]

I've checked the index and the census and no sign of the two boys in the immediate area.
I however notice that their mother was born in Horton - I am assuming this is the Horton near to Leek and not the Haughton near to Gnosall.

Their parents were married in 1856 at Christ Church, Hilderstone. William Shelley and Ann Holcroft.

I wonder if the boys were with grandparents or aunts and uncles. It is worth a try.

I will check the marriage entry to see if it gives any clues when I am at Stafford tomorrow.

Cheers
Pam.

[panda]

Hi,

I have found them on the 1871. RG10/2824 District Stone, Folio 57 page 14

Hope this helps

[Linda Bailey]

Hi
That is the page that their family is on in Hilderstone but not Thomas and William.
However you have helped me with the Census page numbering. I have never understood properly , the last numbers, but if I understand correctly now, the filio number is the number stamped into the right hand corner that only increases every other page, and the page number is used to distinguish between the two pages with the same folio number .
Is this correct?

Thank you

Linda

[Procat]

Hi Linda,

Indeed you are correct.

In addition there is also a householders schedule number which runs down the left column of each page which can narrow things down even more - though most people tend not to refer to them.

For example, your family is recorded in Ancestry as:

Source information: RG10/2824
Registration district: Stone
Sub-registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Folio: 57
Page: 14
Household schedule number: 67

[Pamela Hall]

I've checked the index and the census and no sign of the two boys in the immediate area.
I however notice that their mother was born in Horton - I am assuming this is the Horton near to Leek and not the Haughton near to Gnosall.

Their parents were married in 1856 at Christ Church, Hilderstone. William Shelley and Ann Holcroft.

I wonder if the boys were with grandparents or aunts and uncles. It is worth a try.

I will check the marriage entry to see if it gives any clues when I am at Stafford tomorrow.

Cheers
Pam.

I checked out the marriage entry at Hilderstone and the details are as follows

D5904/1/2 Entry No 30
4th Dec 1856
William Shelley/full age/bach/Farmer/Hilderstone/John Shelley/Innkeeper
Ann Holcroft (signed Houldcroft)/full age/spin/ no occ./Spot Grange/Thomas Holcroft/Farmer
witnesses William Houldcroft, Mary Alcock.

I hope this helps you a little, but I still haven't found the two boys.

Pam.

[Linda Bailey]

Thank you very much for the information. No I didn't have all that information, though I did know his father's name and that he was an inn-keeper.
I spent a couple of hours searching the 1871 census trying to guess where they might be, looking at the nearby areas.
Now it will be kids off to school and then see if I can find Spot Grange which I have never heard of.

I appreciate the time you also must have put into this too - Thank you .

Linda