1891 census

[royston]

Looking for Edwin Willett. born 1851-52.
I know from Ancestry that he was in Glamorgan on this census but am unable to access the site.
Any help appreciated, Roy

[Trish]

Roy,

This one?

Address: 25 Hillside ?St?, Wattstown, Glamorgan
RG12/4412 Folio 71 Page 33


Thos ?BARTHOLOMEW? / Head / M / 42 / Stoker [Engine] / [born] Kingston Lisle Berkshire
Elizth do / Wife / M / 20 / Wells Somersetre
Jno BAYNTON / Father in Law / M / 41 / Coal Miner / do do
Sarah do / Mother " / M / 42 / Radstock do
Henry do / Brother " / S / 22 / do / Wells do
Emily do / Sister " / S / 16 / Bridford Brecmshre
John do / Brother " / 14 / do / Risca Monmouthre
Wm do / do " / 10 / Scholar / do do
Geo. do / do " / 9 / do / Llwyngwril Glamorganre
Sarah J. do / Sister " / 6 / do / Swtong Monmouthre
Rachel ?EVANS? / Visitor / S / 21 / Blaina do
Edwin WILLETT / do / Widower / 39 / Coal Miner / Abersychan do


Edwin is listed as a [young] widower. Note that the head of the household is a man with a wife less than half his age and a father-in-law a year younger than he.

Any idea what Edwin's connection might be with the Bartholomews and the Bayntons?

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

Roy, do you have the following?

1861 Census:
Address: Main St, Abersychan [town], Trevethin [parish], Monmouthshire, Wales
RG9/4009 Folio 41 Page 13

Thomas WILLETT Head Mar 38 Rail Inspector [born] Monmouthshire, Hereford
Mary Ann Do Wife Mar 33 Do Do
Edwin Do Son Un 10 Scholar Monmouthshire, Trevethin
[next page...]
Thomas WILLETT Son Un 8 Scholar born Monmouthshire, Trevethin
Joshua Do Do Do 5 Do Do
Louisa Do Daur Do 3 Do Do
?Micah? Do Do Do 1m Do Do

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

And this?

1871 Census:
Address: High St, Pontypool [town], Trevethin [parish], Monmouthshire, Wales
RG10/5331 Folio 98 Page 314

Thomas WILLETT Head Mar 48 Rail Inspector [born] Home Lacey - Monmouthshire
Emily do Wife Mar 29 Mon Pontypool
Joshua do son Unm 15 Labourer do Abersychan
Louisa do daur 3 [sic] Do Do Scholar do do
Sarah BARRETT Servant 17 Servant do Pontypool

HTH,
Trish

[royston]

Hi Trish,
Thanks for your efforts. You are a gem.
This is certainly the family in 1861 and 1871. Thomas's first wife having died and he remarried. Edwin is the son of the first marriage.Edwins wife is in Ebbe Vale in 1891 with her daughter (my grandmother). She is shown as "single". I believe Edwin died in a mental institution about 1907 so maybe they had parted or perhaps he was suffering early symptoms and this had caused a split.
Thanks again, and have a vey Merry Christmas.
Roy

[Trish]

Hi Trish,
Thanks for your efforts. You are a gem.
This is certainly the family in 1861 and 1871. Thomas's first wife having died and he remarried. Edwin is the son of the first marriage.Edwins wife is in Ebbe Vale in 1891 with her daughter (my grandmother). She is shown as "single". I believe Edwin died in a mental institution about 1907 so maybe they had parted or perhaps he was suffering early symptoms and this had caused a split.
Thanks again, and have a vey Merry Christmas.
Roy

You are most welcome, Roy. So Edwin -- if he's the right one -- is shown as a widower in 1891 but he's not? [Just an FYI: the Edwin WILLETT I gave you is the only Edwin who shows up on the census for Wales as born about 1852 and living in Glamorgan.]

I see that Edwin is in the Monmouthshire Lunatic Asylum in the 1901 census. He's listed as a "Patient", a married, 42 year old "General Labourer, born in "Trevethin Mon" and labelled a "Lunatic". [Reference: RG13/4930 Folio 31 Page 25]

I don't see Edwin in 1881. Do you? But Edwin's parents are in the 1851 census -- do you have that info?

Trish

[royston]

Hi Trish,
Yes, I have the family on the 1851 census. They have led me a dance over the years.
Edwins wife and her daughter (Edith Sophia, my grandmother) are in Waunllwyd, nr. Ebbw Vale in 1891.
His wife, Elizabeth, says she is single (?).
As you say there is no other Edwin Willett to confuse mine with.
By 1881 Edwins father, Thomas and his new family are in Middlesborough. This probably explains why Edwins daughter, Edith Sophia, married a Yorkshire man and why my mother was born in Rotherham.
Elizabeth Willett, wife of Edwin, is buried in Ebbw Vale with her mother but no sign of Edwin.
Another strange point, although Edwin and Elizabeth (nee Jmessage=Hi Trish,
Yes, I have the family on the 1851 census. They have led me a dance over the years.
Edwins wife and her daughter (Edith Sophia, my grandmother) are in Waunllwyd, nr. Ebbw Vale in 1891.
His wife, Elizabeth, says she is single (?).
As you say there is no other Edwin Willett to confuse mine with.
By 1881 Edwins father, Thomas and his new family are in Middlesborough. This probably explains why Edwins daughter, Edith Sophia, married a Yorkshire man and why my mother was born in Rotherham.
Elizabeth Willett, wife of Edwin, is buried in Ebbw Vale with her mother but no sign of Edwin.
Another strange point, although Edwin and Elizabeth (nee Jones) married in Ebbw Vale in 1881 they are missing from the 1881 census here, or indeed anywhere else.
They certainly seem to have tried to evade at least 2 census dates as Elizabeth and her 2 children are not anywhere on the 1901 census either. Maybe the stigma of Edwins illness (?) There is a death for an Edwin Willett, June qtr. 1907 at Abergavenny, so I must assume that it is he, but the age is slightly out. I have yet to obtain a certificate.
I am very grateful for you interest and effort in trying to solve some of my mystery.
Roy

[DebbieAnn]

I may have found him in 1871: (edited to correct year)

He is a lodger at the home of George White and family in Tredegar, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire, Wales. The age is a couple of years off (given as 17). Another lodger there is Phillip Jones, age 33. Might he have been related to Elizabeth?

Name: Edward Willet
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberncha, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Ebbw Vale
Town: Ebbw Vale
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Source information: RG10/5325
Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Folio: 10
Page: 13

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

And do you have this for 1891?

Edit - Oops, sorry, I didn't realize Trish had given you this one...

Debbie

[Trish]

I may have found him in 1881 ... Debbie

I'm sure this is a typo and you mean 1871, right?

I think what you found looks promising. Roy, what do you think?

Trish