1891 census

[Trish]

Roy, do you know when in 1881 Edwin and Elizabeth married? There is an Elizabeth JONES on the 1881 census who could match your Elizabeth. She is about 20, born in Ebbw Vale and working as a housemaid in the MANLAY household in Bathwick, Somerset. [Reference: RG11/2433 Folio 4 Page 2]

Trish

[DebbieAnn]

Yup, finger slipped - oops.

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

in 1881, there is an Edwin Jones:

Name: Edwin Jones
Age in 1881: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to head-of-household: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Abersychan, Monmouth, Wales
Address: 28 Boundary Row
Civil parish: Bedwellty
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Condition as to marriage: Unknown
Occupation: Iron Puddler

Source information: RG11/5246
Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Folio: 96
Page: 1

Strange, because the record I found for 1871 gave the occupation as 'Puddler' and he was lodging in the same town... could the family he was boarding with have assumed he was a Jones? or maybe they knew him as Jones? or maybe it's the wrong person? but the age and place of birth and occupation and current location and first name all fits...

Debbie

[royston]

Hi Trish,
Yes, Edwin and Elizabeth were married 31st. July 1881 in Ebbw Vale.
Having noted Debbie Ann's findings I believe that the one in 1881 could well be him.
Also that the Elizabeth you found in Somerset could be her. I think that the census took place before the marriage date so that would be ok.
I already had Edwin in 1871 in Ebbw Vale so the Edward does bother me a little.
Having expected a lot of trouble with any Jones line I certainly did not expect someone with the name Edwin Willett to give me so much trouble.
Again I can only offer my thanks to you both for your efforts.
Roy

[royston]

Hi Debbie Ann,
Thanks you so much for your time and effort on my behalf.
I think that you may have found Edwin in the 1881 census although I wonder why he was using the name Jones. The 1871 is a little more worrying as I already have him in Ebbw Vale so the other one is an unknown at present.
Trish may well have found Elizabeth for me.
I see that you are in Canada. My father emigrated there in 1929 but had lost a thumb some years before and after working on a farm for 6 months the stump became aggravated. After visiting a doctor he was told that he would have to return to Wales and to ensure this he was locked up tomessage=Hi Debbie Ann,
Thanks you so much for your time and effort on my behalf.
I think that you may have found Edwin in the 1881 census although I wonder why he was using the name Jones. The 1871 is a little more worrying as I already have him in Ebbw Vale so the other one is an unknown at present.
Trish may well have found Elizabeth for me.
I see that you are in Canada. My father emigrated there in 1929 but had lost a thumb some years before and after working on a farm for 6 months the stump became aggravated. After visiting a doctor he was told that he would have to return to Wales and to ensure this he was locked up to await the ship departure. Nearly could have been Canadian !.
Thanks again and all best wishes, Roy

[DebbieAnn]

Well, after reading your message, I went back to 1881 and found THIS Edwin Jones, a coal miner as in 1891:

Edwin Jones
Age in 1881: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to head-of-household: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Abersychan, Monmouth, Wales
Address: Rising Sun Rising Sun Inn
Civil parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Condition as to marriage: Unknown
Occupation: Coal Miner

Source information: RG11/5253
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Folio: 54
Page: 13

What is the source info for the 1871 that you have? Now I'm REALLY INTO it!!!

Debbie

[royston]

Hi Debbie,
Sorry, I must be cracking in my old age. The Edward Willett you have in 1871 is the same as the one that I have, so there is no difficulty there. He was named Edward but seemed to prefer being known as Edwin.
So following your further search of the 1891 census that eliminated the Edwin Jones, mine still seems to be absent on the 1881.
The strange thing regarding their absence on the 1901 is that I know that they were in Rotherham in 1901 (maybe Edward/Edwin excepted) as I have a certificate of birth for their son , Francis Thomas, who was bomessage=Hi Debbie,
Sorry, I must be cracking in my old age. The Edward Willett you have in 1871 is the same as the one that I have, so there is no difficulty there. He was named Edward but seemed to prefer being known as Edwin.
So following your further search of the 1891 census that eliminated the Edwin Jones, mine still seems to be absent on the 1881.
The strange thing regarding their absence on the 1901 is that I know that they were in Rotherham in 1901 (maybe Edward/Edwin excepted) as I have a certificate of birth for their son , Francis Thomas, who was born in 1887. This certificate being one required to work and dated 1903.Also my Grandmother, Edith Sophia, was married in Rotherham in 1902.
Sorry for the confusion on the 1871 census.
Best wishes, Roy