London 1850/51 Directory lookup

[mikedrob]

Hi Everyone
If there is anyone on the list who has access to a London post office or trade directory of around 1851,I would be grateful if you could look up a
William Stables.I have found him on the 1851 census and he is living at 21
North St in the St John the Evangelist area of Westminster and gives his
occupation as Publican.I would like to know the name of the pub where he was Publican.By 1861 he is listed as Traveller for brewery.
regards
Mike Roberts
mikedrob@btinternet.com

[Peter Goodey]

William Stables: Wheatsheaf, 17 Dorset Street, Portman Sq

21 North Street, Westminster - the Coach & Horses (George Glanvill)

The above from 1851 PO Directory

[mikedrob]

Hi Peter
Thanks for the reply regarding William Stables.Can I just verify I have understood your message correctly.Even though William Stables according
to the 1851 census was residing at 21 North St,he was in fact Publican at the
Wheatsheaf 17 Dorset St ,Portman Sq when the P.O directory was compiled
which was also 1851 and 21 North St was actually the Coach and Horses and
the Publican there was George Glanvill.
I suppose William Stables may of been Publican at the Coach and Horses and moved to the Wheatsheaf sometime in 1851.It would be interesting to see any directories either side of 1851 to see if he is listed and where.Someone
did check a directory for 1846 but he was not listed.
regards
Mike Roberts

[Peter Goodey]

The 1851 PO Directory may well have been compiled in 1850. Rather like a modern day "2006 Annual of Something or Other" probably on sale before Christmas 2005!

[Peter Goodey]

|blush| I'm afraid I was being too lazy to check.

I've motivated myself to look now and the preface to the 1851 directory is indeed dated November 1850. So at least you can be reasonably certain about when he moved from the Wheatsheaf to the Coach and Horses.

[mikedrob]

Many thanks to Peter and Kester your collective information has now allowed me to plot the movements of William Stables between 1850 and 1856.I had got it the wrong way around and now know he went from the Wheatsheaf to the Coach and Horses.I now want to find out more about the Pubs where he worked.I have the London 1861 Cd set and North St does not appear in the Westminster street index,perhaps it changed names.
Thanks again for the replies to my query.
regards
Mike

[Peter Goodey]

I think North Street still existed in 1861 although it appears to be what is now known as Lord North Street (running north from Smith Square - does that sound right?)Is Smith Square listed in the 1861? Are you sure North Street wasn't officially shown as missing (or wanting) from the 1861 census?

[mikedrob]

Hi Peter
I had another look at my London 1861 Cd set and they do not mention in the street index North Street or North Court which are there in 1851 but it does mention Smith Square which is "missing from ----".When I browsed through
RG9 47,near the end district 6 shows the ennumerators route including North Street both sides but there is just Wood St then it ends.I am glad William Stables is not still there in 1861.I had a look on the London 1871 Cd set and
North St is there.Elizabeth Bushnell is the Licenced Victualler living at number 21 but they still can't be bothered to put the name of the Pub.
regards
Mike

[mikedrob]

Hi Kester
I had not been back on the forum until today so I did not realise you had left another message.Thanks for the additional information and the 1862 map
website.Have only had a brief look at it,not sure how you pick the right North Street if there are 10 in the index.It is handy to know that Charles Harris was at the Coach and Horses by 1859 as North St is missing from the 1861 census.It gives me an idea who may of been there in 1861.Using the censuses and directories I am trying to plot the different people that run the
Coach and Horses in North St and the Wheatsheaf in Dorset St at least between 1841 and 1901.It would be interesting to know when the two pubs
started and ended assuming they are not still going.I looked in the Universal
British Directory 1791 but they only include coaching Inns and there was only one Coach and Horses listed in London but not the right one,in later directories there was about 36 Coach and Horses in London.
Thanks again for the info.
regards
Mike

[Ed Bradford]

In case you're interested, there's an 1859 map at the following location:

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/map1859.html

..............Ed

[mikedrob]

Hi Ed
Thanks for the 1859 map info
regards
Mike