Footnotes, Corrections and unusual entries

[uksearch]

One of the things that stops me in my tracks when searching old records is finding any footnotes,corrections or unusual entries.On other forums I have posted the details of an American Indian marriage in Manchester and the finding of 1 lbs 10 ozs of nails in a dead man stomach.Here's a burial record from St Mary's Prestwich and the curate's footnote.
*Alfred son of Henry Yates,Prestwich.Jun 29 1854. 9 1/2 yrs.

*The last surviving child of Henry Yates who since 1823 has interred in Prestwich Churchyard three wives and nine children.

UK

[busyglen]

b]*Alfred son of Yates,Prestwich.Jun 29 1854. 9 1/2 yrs.[/b]

*The last surviving child of Henry Yates who since 1823 has interred in Prestwich Churchyard three wives and nine children.

UK

Oo-er!! Certainly sounds `suspicious' doesn't it? I wonder what forensics would discover today?

Glenys

[uksearch]

Oo-er!! Certainly sounds `suspicious' doesn't it? I wonder what forensics would discover today?

Glenys
I don't know...I may look for one of his marriages to find out his occupation.He was certainly,at best,most unlucky:) .

UK

[uksearch]

Here are another two entries from Prestwich burials:

No 1621 Judith wife of Matthew Lee, Little Heaton.Jul 16 1851. 51 yrs.*

No1622 Joshua son of Wiliam Bargh,Prestwich. Jul 17 1851. 44 yrs.*

*Dec 21 1851 Matthew Lee (1621) married the widow of Joshua Bargh (1622). View Marriage Reg of that date.

UK

[Geoffers]

Blessed be the clerics who added these footnotes and additional detail; I love coming across them; for example, the last duel fought in Norfolk is noted

Blickling, Norfolk 1698
"Sr Henry HOBART Knight + Baronet was runn through the body by Oliver NEVE of Witchingham upon the twentieth August day of 1698 of which wound he dyed the day folowing and was intered pon the six and twenty day of the same month."

or in 1781
"Jacob BLYTH killed in a fray with poachers."

or at the start of the 2nd register for Buxton, Norfolk
"At the assizes holden at Thetford March 10 1741 Francis PYE late of this town sentenced to be transported for seven years and he was carried from our castle April the 30 1742 in order thereto - CHAPPEL passed the sentence."

Geoffers

[uksearch]

Prestwich St Mary's Burial
Thomas son of Thomas Hares,Halfacre. Dec 9 1855. 4 days*
* Corrected by FS Cutler, Curate to:

Elizabeth dau of Thomas Hills

[Stuman]

While trawling through the parish registers for bermondsey I came across a number of foundling children being baptised. In almost every case the child was being given a christian name followed by the street or place that they were found. I just hoped that there were no decendants trying to track those families.

Stuart

[uksearch]

It is interesting to see examples from other parts of the country...thanks|wave| .

Here's another Prestwich burial.
William son of John Horrocks, originally from Turton late Prestwich Lunatic Asylum.Jul 12 1856.32 yrs*

* Coroners Inquest
Hanging...First suicide since the opening of the Asylum

[uksearch]

Prestwich Burial
Phoebe widow of ------ Halstead, Nutter from the Lunatic Asylum. Aug 16 1858.40 yrs.

No 2871 Frank Owen son of John Chadwick, Hollins, Unsworth. Aug 24 1856.12 yrs*

* No 2871 Killed instantaneously, with others, by the explosion of the boiler at Hampson Mills on Wednesday Aug 20th.

UK

[Jack Richards]

Hi Friends

Another snippet:

SMALLEY Parish Register. (Derbyshire)
Matlock R.O. Ref : XM/1/334. item 6.

23.12.1785. Saml. Liggot buried, poper (pauper). Starved to death by the humanity of the parish officer. (Humanity is underlined several times).

Regards

Jack

[AnnB]

From the Braunton, Devon parish registers -

John Viccary, son of Willm., canal digger, and Jane - bapt. 15th July 1819 (Husband has been absent for years)

The couple appear to have had 5 other children baptised between 1810 and 1816, so without knowing how old little John was when he was baptised (well, he might just have been left out when the others were done) we can only assume that the Vicar knew that Mr Viccary wasn't his Dad ;)

Best wishes
Ann

[uksearch]

St Mary's Prestwich burial.
Herbert son of John William Gickson, Prestwich. Oct 6 1863. 11 yrs.*

*An earthquake was felt here & through England unusually on this night Oct 6th.

UK

[uksearch]

St Mary's Prestwich Burials
Thomas son of John Boardman, Prestwich Lunatic Asylum formally of Rochdale. Mar 7 1864. 56 yrs*
*Killed by another patient in the Asylum

William son of Joseph Fry, PLA formally Liverpool. Mar 21 1864. 35 yrs.
*Erased by me Edwin Barfleet Mar 24 1864
*This entry was made before the corpse arrived and other arrangements were made.The corpse was interred elsewhere.

[uksearch]

Thomas son of Thomas Wolstenholme, Prestwich. Feb 20 1853. 12 yrs*

*Drowned in the Rectory pond by breaking of the ice on Tuesday 15th February.

Thomas son of Robert Hilton, Higher Lane. Mar 13 1853. 66 yrs. Inquest*

* Died suddenly whilst on his way to Church in the funeral procession of Hannah Derry.

UK

[uksearch]

I am trying to send an attachment but the system rejects it as being too large.My properties say it is 193kb but this system says it is 380.5 kb.


UK

[Mary Young]

I am trying to send an attachment but the system rejects it as being too large.You can't "send an attachment" to the Forum.
Here's what I'd advise:
(1) Register at www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com).
(2) Upload your picture to photobucket, which provides you with the picture's URL. like this (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/scottishagate/PhotoBucketSample.jpg)
(3) Copy this URL.
(4) While composing your post, highlight some words, click the blue "globe" on the toolbar, and paste in the URL.
That way, the photo remains on the photobucket server, not taking up space on the B-G server.

My properties say it is 193kb but this system says it is 380.5 kb. I wouldn't worry about this. Probably something to do with cluster size - but don't quote me! :)

[uksearch]

I went for the Photobucket option,easier for someone with my limited 'puter skills.

These two entries were found at the beginning of a film of Northenden Parish Church baptimal records filmed by M.Twigg for the LDS.The first one from 1684 refers to the ownership and usage of a Church pew.
The second one is concerning the purchase of land by William Tatton (Tatton as in Tatton Hall Cheshire). The Tatton's had land in this area from the 1300s to the early twentieth century when they sold the village of Northenden and what is now known as Wyhenshawe to Manchester City Council.Wythenshawe was the largest council estate built in Europe.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PR1.jpg

[Mythology]

That link works OK. :)

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi UK,

I take it that the Northenden Parish Church you refer to is St. Wilfrid's ..... you know the one ...... always used in Coronation Street Church Weddings!

Guess who got married there on the 4th September 1965? OK, to first husband who dumped me for a twelve year younger model, but unfortunately, I can't forget the date! |shakehead

[uksearch]

Yes it is St Wilfrid's.It is one of the 16 Cheshire churches outside of Chester mentioned in the Domesday Survey of 1086.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Nosigs.jpg

The above link contains an image of a parish record for a Man Cath marriage. Maybe everyone had imbibed in too much xmas spirit... or maybe they were all cream crackered as this is one of just under 80 marriages that took place on the day.

UK

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Whilst 'lifting out' my family names from burial transcriptions in this Parish, after finding out that one of the children died aged 3, with Burnt written alongside ...... I was cheered up a little by this entry:

15th February 1842 Thomas STRINGER aged 35 years - Drowned

Buried left hand side of the top gates. He was dressed in a black coat and waistcoat, with drab trousers and a red and white neckcloth. Appeared to have been dead from three to six weeks and supposed to be a fancy weaver by trade.

[uksearch]

Here are a couple more from Northenden.I read about these sometime ago in a book about the area. I checked them out the other day in original registers.Boy are they in need of repair.This was amongst the weddings;

The XXth of Dec 1589 did fall a greate and verie deepe snow ashath been seene in our time upon ye playne ground as divers nowlyving doe saye.

cont

UK

[uksearch]

This was in with the baptisms:

Sept.(1666) upon the second day of this month did befall a most lamentable fire upon the famous city of London which burnt the most part of its eightie churches , 57 halls to the damage of its citizens.Libera nos domine.

UK

[uksearch]

Two more from Prestwich.

John son of Dorothy Slater now Cross, Oswaldtwisle from the Lunatic Asylum. Jun 27 1857. 28 yrs*

*Drowning:- second suicide since the opening of the Asylum.
No 3273 Alexander son of William Carr, Besses O'th Barn. Mar 11 1858. 77 yrs*

*No 3273 The father of Alexander Carr buried in a coal pit about 60 years ago and his boy never recovered.

UK

[rampage6]

This one is from St Martin at Ashton upon Mersey,CHS.

John Darbyshire of Ashton, shopkeeper died on the 24th day of June 1804 in consequence of mixing lantharides in ale of which nine other persons partook with him at the Alehouse, most of whom were very ill, and some thought dangerously so. The Coroners Inquest pronounced him to be buried in the public High Road two hours after it was taken.

I found this over a year ago whilst viewing the parish register. A2A also lists this entry but differs in the spelling of lantharides.

I'm not quite sure whether the offending substance is a chemical or rare earth. Correct spelling may be lanthanides.

Of note, no burial entry found for this unfortunate chap at either St Martin or St Marys at Bowdon.

[Mary Young]

John Darbyshire of Ashton, shopkeeper died on the 24th day of June 1804 in consequence of mixing lantharides in ale According to various websites, lantharides was only discovered in 1839. Do you think the word might be "cantharides" aka spanish fly? It was used as a stimulant / aphrodisiac, but dangerous in excess http://tinyurl.com/d58te

[uksearch]

[QUOTE=rampage6]This one is from St Martin at Ashton upon Mersey,CHS.

John Darbyshire of Ashton, shopkeeper died on the 24th day of June 1804 in consequence of mixing lantharides in ale of which nine other persons partook with him at the Alehouse, most of whom were very ill, and some thought dangerously so. The Coroners Inquest pronounced him to be buried in the public High Road two hours after it was taken.

QUOTE]
I think that this is possibly my favourite...to date:) .

UK

[rampage6]

Upon reflection I think cantharides is the more likely alternative.

Another reference is http://locus1.com/fdr/aph/ingcantharides.htm

There is another reference to the Marquis De Sade, but I'll leave that one alone.

To anyone who may know, should the Coroner's direction to bury John Darbyshire in the public High Road rather than at the local cemetery, be interpreted as one of punishment of the deceased and a general warning to the community?

[uksearch]

More from Northenden.A burial and a baptism.

William Brickell*, Northenden. Aug 1 1829. 60 yrs

*Bell ringer - and a desperate profligate

No 47 Nov 6 1853
William son of Samuel and Ann Leigh. Northen. Labourer

* No 47 This child is known by the name of William Vickers Leigh. His name was given by the Parents at the Baptism and the omission of the name Vickers was not known of untill a copy of the Register was applied for in 1879.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BLA1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BLA1.jpg)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BLA2.jpg
The above are a couple of images from St Peter's Blackley, Manchester. The first one shows that the witnesses (who were probably minor Church Officials) signed the register before the couple failed to arrive.The second one is for a burial on June 1st with a very interesting addition.

UK

[uksearch]

I'm having trouble with the second BLA image. Under his name is:
Formerly a Private with the Oxford Blues. He was at the battle of Waterloo where he received eighteen wounds. He was left for dead on the battlefield.

UK

[uksearch]

Here a partial entry from a marriage at St Paul's Withington, Manchester in July 1938.

Eileen Mary Hughes, 30, The Divorced wife of Geoffrey Lionel Hughes

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GRANT.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GRANT.jpg)


Here's another one from Withington. Could he be related to who I am thinking of?

UK

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Could he be related to who I am thinking of?

UK

Hi UK,

I read this yesterday and my first thought was *Moi?* :D My second thought was ..... don't be stupid Diane! Because I'm a nosey person, could you please tell me who you are thinking of?

[uksearch]

I thought that he may be a decendant of the chap at the following link

http://www.mscomm.com/~ulysses/ (http://www.mscomm.com/~ulysses/)

UK

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Oh that one! Thanks for the link UK and for satisfying my curiousity (or nosiness!) :D

[uksearch]

Prestwich Parish Church Burials
*A woman, Unknown. Jun 14 1865. ? yrs

*Found drowned in a pool in Prestwich Cough

Mary wife of James Barlow, Prestwich. Sep 6 1865. 67 yrs*

* Suicide under temporary insanity

Well...it wasn't very temporary for her:D

[uksearch]

Reverand Cornelius Bayley D D of Trinity College Cambridge Founder and Minister of St James' Church Manchester. Died April 1812. Buried April 18 1812 Aged 69. Ruptured a blood vessel when preaching.

John Dales
Executed at Chester Wednesday April 21 1824. Removed from Chester Saturday April 24. Buried on the west side of St James' Church April 25 1824.

UK

[uksearch]

St Andrew's, Ancoats, Manchester burials.

*George Bambridge, Ancoats. Jan 28 1847. 61 years.

* Corrected to Thomas by me W W Warlock March ?? ????

Henry (*Wright) Grocott, Ancoats. Mar 21 1850. 1 day.
Arabelle (*Wright) Grocott, Ancoats. Mar 21 1850. 1 day.

*The name Wright was not given in Baptism. WWW

UK

[uksearch]

These are the first three entries in St Andrew's Burial Registers.

James Kennedy, Ancoats, -----.----. Removed from the Burial Grounds at St Luke's , Chorlton Row.*
Sophia Kennedy, Ancoats. ----.----. Removed from the Burial Gounds at St Luke's, Chorlton Row.*
Janet Anne Crichton Kennedy, Ancoats. Oct 14 1831. 11 years.*

* In Vault

UK

[uksearch]

1883 Marriage in St * Michael's School in the Parish of St Michael's Manchester in the County of Lancaster June 24th.
John MOORES, 21, Bachelor, Umbrella Maker. 5 Beswick Row. Father, John MOORES, Fustian Cutter &
Mary Ann WILLIAMS, 19, Spinster, Machinist. Father, Joseph WILLIAMS, Labouer. Married...after Banns...Both signed. Witnesses Horatio NELSON & Elizabeth ALBAN.
*Licenced for the performance of Divine Service and for Marriages during the closure of the Church for Restoration.

UK
BTW there were 51 Horatio NELSONs in the 1881 Census;) .

[uksearch]

This is from St Andrew's, Ancoats, Manchester.This marriage did not last long . I wonder what happened to them?
This marriage has since been discovered to be illegal. The parties being within the prohibited degrees of affinity.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/AFF.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/AFF.jpg)


UK

[uksearch]

This is one of those little snippets of information that provide that little "extra".It was in amongst the burials.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ThomasPRs.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ThomasPRs.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

Here is another from St Thomas's PRs. A marriage of a man who had an effect on towns and cities.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Chadwick.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Chadwick.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/chadwick_edwin.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/chadwick_edwin.shtml)

UK
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/chadwick_edwinbio_a4.html

[uksearch]

Ardwick was a very desirable place to live and many rich and famous people married at St Thomas's.Surgeons, physicians, solicitors an even an MP tied the knot here. In 1849 Charles MOTT married at St Thomas's, he was Assistant Commissioner to the Poor Law Commission ie CHADWICK's deputy. In 1853 the MP for North Lancashire James HEYWOOD married a Widow Ann ESCHER whose father was John KENNEDY, CHADWICK's father in law.

UK

[uksearch]

This one is a baptism from St Luke's C on M, Manchester. It's possible that there was a "falling out".



http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/LUKE1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/LUKE1.jpg)
UK

[uksearch]

Robert GILL*, married man. Sackville Street, Manchester.Jun 25th 1830. 58 years.

*This corpse was removed to the New Burial Ground by his Relatives July 26th 1833

It doesn't say if they were aided by an undertaker.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

4 February 1821
Jonathan, Son of John and Ann WHATMOUGH, George St, Drake Street, Weaver
"Born 14 April 1815,The father left this family nearly 5 yrs ago & has not been heard of since"

Note, birth dates were not normally included in this register

Colin

[uksearch]

* Rosabel Alice Cowling, Clayton, April 17th 1880. 3 years

*On the same day in the above grave was deposited the body of R A Cowling's brother registered under the name of Nicholas Hargreaves Cowling who died unbaptised aged 5 years.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

1 March 1856
ASHTON, William, 95, Killed by a train running over him at the crossing near Mr Pain's nittun? orchard

(from the Huntingdonshire FHS transcription)

Anyone any suggestions for what nittun should be?

Colin

[uksearch]

1 March 1856
ASHTON, William, 95, Killed by a train running over him at the crossing near Mr Pain's nittun? orchard

(from the Huntingdonshire FHS transcription)

Anyone any suggestions for what nittun should be?

Colin
Unless you can scan the image so that we can have a butchers, I would guess that only someone with local knowledge could help. I 'm afraid it dont mean nuttin tuh me|5cups|

UK

[Terry]

Just a few examples from the burial registers of Tormoham Parish Church(the mother church of Torquay)- anybody would think that we're a coastal town:)
1 Stranger was buried on 27 September 1780
4 Strangers were buried on 24 September 1780
a Sailor buried on 02 February 1806 ,
a sailor taken up at Meadfoot Sand name not known buried on 31 October 1804
a stranger marine from one of the Navy's ships drowned, buried his surname BRADLEY from Manchester on 06 January 1807
a stranger not known buried on 22 September 1777 ,
a stranger that was drowned was buried on 13 April 1782
A stranger was buried on 09 June 1779 ,
a stranger was buried on 05 March 1781 ,
A stranger was buried- supposed to be a Cornish man on 03 March 1801

[uksearch]

St James' Didsbury Manchester Burials

James Watson, Manchester. June 28th 1820.76 years*

* This man was once the Librarian of the Portico in Manchester. Commanly called Dr Watson, drowned in Dublin 24th June

William Preston, Didsbury. July 30th 1832. 64 years*

*A Pensioner drowned, was at the siege of Serringpatam, India.

UK

[uksearch]

St James' Didsbury burial

George Beaumont, Stockport. Jun 15 1836. 16 months.*

* The Grave in Didsbury Church Yard belongs to Charlotte Beaumont of Stockport, who was the purchaser, the sum paid was £2 0s 0d.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

Unless you can scan the image so that we can have a butchers, I would guess that only someone with local knowledge could help.Unfortunately I don't have access to the image at present (I was consulting a transcription). Later, perhaps,

Colin

[uksearch]

St James' Didsbury

Jeremiah Withington, Park Field, Didsbury. June 11th 1847. __ .*

* The deceased died May 18th 1814 aged 66 years and was buried in the Cross Street Chapel (Manchester) but was disinterred and buried at Didsbury on this day.

Martha Forth*

Removed by Faculty from All Saints Church Yard Manchester and interred in the Forth vault in Didsbury Church Yard. Witnessed by SY Bradshaw,Curate.

UK

[uksearch]

This is one from St James Gorton.Take a look at the following link.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Gorton1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Gorton1.jpg)

Strictly speaking I cannot say the last eight bodies registered in this book -??? would it be people that write any others name than my own which I have done though I believe they were not buried by me.

UK

[uksearch]

St James Gorton
No 950

*Should be Thomas not Joseph
Joseph Harrop, Manchester. Oct 27th 1827. 45 years

*It having been discovered on the 11th March 1845 that in the entry of 950 of burial the Joseph had been erroneously written for Thomas and now in the presence of Samuel Smith and David Shaw who were presnt at his funeral on the 27th Oct 1827 certify the correction thereof that the word Joseph was inserted instead of Thomas thro' the inadvertency of the writer.

UK

[mary elms]

It looks like -

Strictly speaking I cannot say who interred the last eight Bodies registered in this Book- nor would it be p??p? that I should write any other name than my own which I have done though I believe that they were not buried by me.


Very strange! So who did sign in his name with his writing if not him?

Mary.

[Peter Goodey]

"p??p?"


proper, I think. He meant "I'm blowed if I can remember burying them but I'd better enter my own name"

[Wirral]

At the library today I looked up a burial at Anfield Cemetery, Liverpool. As usual, I checked to see who was also buried that day (20th Sep 1871). The burial immediately after the one I was looking for was - Ellenor Rigby! :cool:

[uksearch]

At the library today I looked up a burial at Anfield Cemetery, Liverpool. As usual, I checked to see who was also buried that day (20th Sep 1871). The burial immediately after the one I was looking for was - Ellenor Rigby! :cool:
...ah but was it THE famous one?|nopity| (not pity but strings in general)

Christ Church, Harpurhey Burial

* Edward Wilkinson, Crumpsall Workhouse. July 31 1876. ?? years.

* Army Name
Real Name Nebuchadnazzar Worthington

UK

[uksearch]

This another one from St James, Gorton.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Gorton2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Gorton2.jpg)

Burial number 592 may seem to be the point of this posting. Though this is interesting in it's own way check out the comments written at the side of young Earnest's burial...number 586.

UK

[John]

Burial number 592 may seem to be the point of this posting. Though this is interesting in it's own way check out the comments written at the side of young Earnest's burial...number 586.

UK
I can't read them and no, I don't need new glasses, I've just got a new pair:)

[Sharron]

Living in Fontenoy Street in Liverpool in 1901 is John Lennon!

[uksearch]

I can't read them and no, I don't need new glasses, I've just got a new pair:)Maybe you just need an eye transplant|nopity| but having looked at the link it doesn't look too good...but then the film isn't that clear anyway.

Mrs Huffa??? was so drunk she fell in aisle.

UK

[uksearch]

Some of the Non-parochial records often carry a bit more detail that that of the PRs of the Established Church. Those from Christ Church Bible Christian, Hulme, Manchester are quite interesting to view and can be seen on RG 8 / 25.
They show the charges paid to the church and the sexton for the burials. They also usually record cause of death and a fairly full address. Sometimes they showed the sale of headstones, 21 to 28 shillings c 1833.

14th Feb 1837
Sarah, illegitimate daughter of Jane Berry, aged 10 months, died 11th Feb of tooth fever, at the back of No 5 Chadwick Street, Bank Top, Manchester.
(Cost 6/-)

UK

[uksearch]

This one is also from Christ Church Bible, but I am not sure how the powers that be decided that she was a member of this church.Alsongside the PRs was an image of the Coroner's Certificate approving her burial

29th July 1834

"A woman unknown, found dead" Coroner's verdict. A female corpse without head and in a very putrid state.

(Cost 7/6)
Overheads may have gone up|shakehead


<STRONG>

[uksearch]

Christ Church, Harpurhey

Eliza Cohen, 6 Rose Cottage, Mersey Road, Sale. feb 10th 1892. 82 years.*

* On Registrar's Certificate Eliza Cowan

Emma Holland, 4 Cicero St, Harpurhey. Dec 2nd 1899, 46 years.*

* Ann on coffin

UK

[uksearch]

Here's a link to see some Christ Church Bible burials.The column on the left (which has been chopped by the microfilm cameraman) shows the sexton's fee for digging the grave.The column on the extreme right shows the total fee charge for the burial and the bottom right hand corner show Sexton's fees being deducted from the total.

UK


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HULMEBIBLE.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HULMEBIBLE.jpg)

[uksearch]

St George, Hulme Burials.

The clergy here liked to give the cause of death when recording the burials.All the ususal "suspects" appear dropsy, scarlet fever, smallpox, drowning, consumption,cancer of the various parts, water on the brain, complaint in the bowel, teething fever, decline, childbirth, apoplexy, visitation of God, fistula, milk fever, turn of life, inflammmation of the lower extremities...and then there was...

Archibald, son of David and Sarah GIBSON. 6 Clarence St. March 5th 1847. 20 years.
Died March 2nd. Died in bed. Coroner's order

UK

[uksearch]

St John's, Longsight

John WOOD, Norton House, Burnage. Oct 3rd 1898. 86 years

*Buried by nonconformist Minister of Burnage Lane Chapel

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/NONCON.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/NONCON.jpg)

UK

[British Roots]

18th October 1805, Rothwell, Lincolnshire:
John RHODES buried, age 18, "Slain by a Waggon".

Kind Regards

[uksearch]

St Barnabas Openshaw Burials
Edward LITTLE, Openshaw. Dec 10th 1875. 26 minutes.
Esther LITTLE, Openshaw. Dec 10th 1875. 7 hours

Mary HEATHCOTE, Openshaw. May 7th 1877. 61 years.
Jane HINCHLIFFE, Openshaw. May 7th 1877. 33 years.*

* Both from one house mother & daughter. Single dues very poor.

James RAYNER, Openshaw. Jan 19th 1879. 1 year.*

* 2/6 returned very poor.

Elizabeth
Joseph Arthur EDLINGTON,Openshaw. Dec 27th 1879. 1 day each.
Sarah

UK

[uksearch]

St Leonard's Middleton, Middleton Baptism 4th January 1809

Faith, Hope & Charity, three sisters born at one birth the ????? daughters of William TURNER and Mary his wife. Tonge

Faith was buried on 29th Jan 1809. Hope was buried 3rd Febrary 1809. I don't know what happened to Charity.

UK

[uksearch]

St Barnabas, Openshaw

John BOTTAMS, Newton Heath. Aug 27th 1895. 42 years*

* Dreadful suicide. Insanity

St James The Apostle, Birch in Rusholme

Frances Matilda OLIPHANT, Smedley Old Hall. May 9th 1872. 24 years*

* Died at Alexandria -- Egypt

UK

[uksearch]

This one is from the Manchester Chapelry of Newton (All Saints). It only took 71 years to spot this error:) .

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/NewtonHeath.jpg

NB this must have been a baptism not a Burial as the said Sarah Garside was still alive on June 13th 1911 see letters. J A Winstanley, Rector 19 June 1911

[Peter Goodey]

Found among the Egerton (Kent) BTs and reproduced without comment:



“For about the date of 1815 there have been born and baptised in this parish within 18 months more than 40 children and no marriages has [sic] taken place within this parish next to Charing. The trouble is persons from this, and several of the neighbouring villages, go off to Maidstone and are clandestinely married, taking lodgings for a few weeks but not residing in them. They get asked at Maidstone are married there and then return home. As this is illegal so it loudly calls for a remedy.


G.M ---------------- Curate
Geo Harrison )
John Furminger ) Churchwardens”

[Colin Moretti]

Rochdale, St Chad's

Baptisms
2 June 1811
Ellen, dau of Thos & Betty Kershaw of Blackwater, Spinner
Born on the 22nd May 1810 - Christened prior by a Disenting (sic) Minister who told the father it was registered at the Parish Church but an enquiry into the validity found it not the case. Thos Drake, DD [Vicar]

A similar entry occured a few weeks later.

Colin

[uksearch]

After 1848 burials at Manchester Collegiate and Parish Church were scarce.Prior to at the end of the year the Register were processed.

I Cecil David Wray, Chaplain of the Collegiate and Parish Church of Christ in Manchester in the County of Lancaster and Diocese of Chester do hereby solemly declare that the writings hereto annexed purporting to be copies of the several entries contained in the Register Burials in the Parish aforesaid from the first day of January 1824 to thirty first day of December 1824 both inclusive are true copies of all the several entries on said Register books respectively from the said first day of January1824 to thirty first of December 1824 both inclusive and that not such other entry during such period is contained in any such book repectively and truly made to the best of my knowledge and belief.

CD Wray, Chaplain

UK

[Peter Goodey]

Burial in Swansombe (Kent):-

Thomas Davies [the E was crossed out]; Aug 20th [1837]; age 87 years*






Note 1:




"*Probably 75. His father and mother, Henry & Ann, were married 27 Nov 1753 & had daughters in 1754, 55, 56, 57, 58 & 60. The first son baptized is John 9 Sep 1764. Thomas may have been born in 1762 or 1763."



Note 2 (in the same hand):




"This supposition is erroneous [unfortunately the rest is illegible but I think it says those weren't his parents!]


Yes, supposition is a dangerous thing!

[uksearch]

Collegiate and Parish Church of Manchester

An unknown man, Leeds Railway Station, Hunt's Bank. May 23rd 1846 -- years.

How did they know where he was from???????????


UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW1.jpg)

These are the last four entries in the Manchester Cathedral burial records.I think that the de Trfford's may have been buried in a family vault.I am not too sure about Mr Jackson's body. The last one to be buried was the Rev Cecil David Wray, a servant of the church for many years.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW2.jpg)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CDW3.jpg)

Burials at Manchester Cathedral after 1848 needed to have special permission to be performed. The link above shows the details of the application for CD Wray's burial.

UK

[John]

Would some of these Cathedral burials actually have been interred at Walkers Croft? I can't remember off hand when it closed.

J

[John]

Would some of these Cathedral burials actually have been interred at Walkers Croft? I can't remember off hand when it closed.

J
Talkin' to my self here, bad!
I checked, according to the MLFHS site, Walkers Croft closed for burials in 1832 and was partially moved in 1844.
That same site though says that the Cathedral closed for burials in 1819.
Ah, of course it need not be an error, burials between 1819 and 1848 would no doubt be into family graves/vaults etc.

[uksearch]

The answer to the questions are in the thread "M/C Cathedral marriage" on the Manchester Forum last post dated 24/06/2005:) . Courtesy of the Cathedral Archivist (nice chap).

UK

[uksearch]

All Saints, Chorlton on Medlock Baptism

Dec 3rd 1871. Tim, son of William & Martha Roberts. Gorton. Unreadable Occupation.
Born 3rd Jan 1837*

*The date of birth is an error.The birth Certificate was 1867. corrected Jan 10th 1930.

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GORTONBAP.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GORTONBAP.jpg)

This one from Gorton has not copied well and therfore not scanned very well.

"By some unaccountable mistake Sarah Boon is entered as baptised on the 11th March and Joseph Catlow on the 25th February and whereas it is vica versa, they are specified erroneously being in each others places. No 744 & 745".

UK

[uksearch]

Most "normal " marriages have a couple of witnesses. I have seen marriages at the Collegiate & Parish Church of Manchester which had one or no witnesses at all, but when up to 20 couples at a time were getting married (that's another story), you might expect the odd mistake.Often people who were married by Licence had three or four witnesses, a sign of the esteem of the couple or their parents I suspect (guess).Take a look at the link below...and count:D .

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WITNESSES.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WITNESSES.jpg)

UK

[busyglen]

Could that be 12 UK? Wow!!

Came across this in Minster, Sheppey, Kent Burials:

1723 Elizabeth DAVIS, about 105.
Widow of Harty never out of this Island but two years in her whole life: she had six husbands whose names were recited at funeral.


I bet none of the people at the funeral remembered them if she was 105!

Glenys

[uksearch]

Yup, I also make it 12. Here another one that made it to the Register, but not to the fount.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTSConM.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTSConM.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

Looking for baptisms can be really time consuming, especially if our rellies did not have the decency to get their kids baptised shortly after the births. Multiple baptisms are not uncommon, three or four siblings at a time. However there are multiple baptisms...and multiple baptisms.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SEVENUP.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SEVENUP.jpg)

UK

[busyglen]

Goodness...they were busy weren't they? Still at least the family are searchable.... some of my lot weren't registered or baptised, as far as I have been able to ascertain!

Glenys

[uksearch]

St Chad's Rochdale Baptism

July 16 1817 Elizabeth dau of Elizabeth SCHOFIELD, born Blackwater under Certificate from Wadsworth (???).+ A married woman

*Her husband was in Ireland and she has not seen him since 1811

+ That's the best I can make of that...I haven't a clue what it means

St Matthews Manchester Apr 22nd 1855
William son of Ann HORROCKS. Moss lane,Hulme. Spinster*

* The Fathers name was Hery JENKINSON who married the mother of the baptised shortly after the birth.

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTMAR2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTMAR2.jpg)


I must be missing something on this one. It seems that the Rector forgot to sign the Register, it was spotted 10 years later, and a big fuss was made.

UK

[uksearch]

This relates to a couple from Wilmslow who got married in Stockport and the Certifcate was kept in the PRs.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WILM2.jpg

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTSMAR3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALLSAINTSMAR3.jpg)

Even Registrars get married:) .

UK

[uksearch]

Here are three baptisms from St Lawrence's Chapel, Denton. They are all "related". The third baptism is for a servant and is one of the earliest examples of an entry for a black or Asian person in Manchester PRs.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/DEN1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/DEN1.jpg)

[uksearch]

St Lawrence, Denton
I found these little bits of information all on the same page but obviously written years apart.
Confirmations at Stockport on Wednesday Aug (no date) 1796 at 11 o'clock in the forenoon.
Confirmation was held at the Collegiate Church Manchester Saturday August 17 1799.
The Organ in Denton was first played on sunday the 10th day of May 1802 by Joseph Sidebotham organist.
The Chapel was repaired both inside and out in the year 1816 and Denton side paved.Gabriel Lupton Chapelwarden for denton & Norbert Thornley for Haughton.
The wall was errected round the Chapel yard 1809 in part and 1810 the other part.
The chapel was whitewashed and painted inside at the same time it was B??????
outside.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

Burials, Pentrich Parish Church, Derbyshire

1802, August 25
Elizabeth, Daughter of Thos & Fanny Hardy, age 8
and
Mary Daughter of the said Thos & Fanny Hardy, age 6
and also
Fanny, Daughter of the said Thos & Fanny Hardy, age 3
of Sommercoates in the Parish of Alfreton were buried, who were burned to Death, the house in which they were asleep taking fire in the night of the 23rd Inst in the absence of their Parents

Colin

[uksearch]

This is the summary of baptism for Denton Chapel from 1700 to 1800.If you look very closley at the bottom section, not the best of images, you will see the details of the 1801 Census for the villages of Denton & Haughton.

UK
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/DEN3.jpg

Oooops I forgot to post the link...and nobody complained:)
The bottom bit reads:
On the same 10th March 1801 the number of the population of the townships of Denton & Haughton were taken agreeably to the same Act of Parliament and were found to be as follows:

[uksearch]

This was found amongst the Denton Baptisms:
The Ancient Penthouse over the large gateway into Denton chapel yard fell suddenly on the evening of Thursday august 23rd 1835 about 6 o'clock. [Supposed] to be [errected] with the Chapel.

UK

[uksearch]

Here is a couple of baptism from St Mary's, Prestwich.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PRES1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PRES1.jpg)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PRES2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PRES2.jpg)

And another one...

Sept 11th 1851 Alfred*,-----,-----,-----.

*This child found deserted in a field in Blackley. The parents not having been discovered it received the name of Fielding in allusion to the scene of its desertion.

UK

[uksearch]

Some more Prestwich baptisms.
May 16 1852. Mary, a foundling, NEWTON*, Raineshow Workhouse.

*Derives it name from Newton Heath in the Prestwich Union in which township the child was found.

Sept 6 1854. Isaac NEWTON*, Poor House, Raineshow, a foudling.

*A foundling recevied the name of Newton because....

One out of ten for originality. Raineshow is an archaic way of spelling Rainsough which is pronounced Rainsuh.

UK

[Pam Downes]

From the marriage PRs for the parish church of St Botolph Boston (aka Boston Stump)
10th August 1851
William WHITE and Susan BROWN
Both bride and groom lived in Blue Street. :)
Pam Downes

[Pam Downes]

I'm transcribing a marriage PR for St Botolph Boston and I'm also checking the names to the GRO Index, so I was a little surprised to see in FreeBMD entries for Ann Nash and Joseph Nash. It must refer to the same PR entry because it's in a block of three other weddings from the same register. But the PR reads 'This marriage was stopped immediately before celebration by a bystander the parties wishing to be married being within the prohibited degrees'.
I think Ann was the widow of Joseph's brother, but can't yet prove it. .
In the 1851 census Ann is the head of the household with her two children, and Joseph and John Nash (probably another brother of Joseph) as lodgers. In the 1861 Ann and Joseph are in separate households in the same village.
Pam Downes

[Mythology]

Hmmm .... not sure that I'd call that an error, really.
OK, it's a "marriage index", but a GRO cert basically says that it's a copy of what's in the register. If there's a dud entry, then the copy of that dud entry presumably still has to go to the GRO, and if you ordered the cert you'd presumably get one with exactly that information - the marriage did not actually take place.

And now for something completely different ....

I've made a few comments here and there about nonconformist ministers regarding the register as their own personal property and wandering off with them.
It wasn't just the nonconformists.
One of the baptism registers of St Mary Magdalene, Harlow, Essex, finishes in 1862 part way down the page with a note:
N. B. This Register was taken to the Sandwich Islands, by mistake and not received back for nearly two years, when fresh Registers were had

As my Stortford friend's daughter would probably say, "Well, wodjer speck from them Arlo fickies?" ;)

[uksearch]

Another one from St Mary's Prestwich baptisms

June 10th 1887
Nellie daughter of Marshall & Hannah Grace BULLOUGH*. Gardener Rd. Salesman

After Marshall the name BULLOUGH inserted.After Grace the name BULLLOUGH deleted and PETTY inserted.

* These have been through a marriage ceremony but within prohibited degrees. I wonder what was written next to their marriage PR?

UK

[busyglen]

I'm transcribing a marriage PR for St Botolph Boston and I'm also checking the names to the GRO Index, so I was a little surprised to see in FreeBMD entries for Ann Nash and Joseph Nash. It must refer to the same PR entry because it's in a block of three other weddings from the same register. But the PR reads 'This marriage was stopped immediately before celebration by a bystander the parties wishing to be married being within the prohibited degrees'.
I think Ann was the widow of Joseph's brother, but can't yet prove it. .
In the 1851 census Ann is the head of the household with her two children, and Joseph and John Nash (probably another brother of Joseph) as lodgers. In the 1861 Ann and Joseph are in separate households in the same village.
Pam Downes

Wow Pam!! I really read this with my mouth agape!! I thought this was an entry of my relatives Joseph and Ann Naish. (Quite often shown as Nash on Censuses). But no.. Ann would have only been 6 in 1851!!

They have had a quite a colourful past what with change of names and not marrying until they'd had most of their children, so like the above, nothing was as it seemed!!

At last my heart has stopped thumping, so I'll retire for a cup of coffee! :)

Glenys

[uksearch]

Prestwich, St Mary's
Nov 30th 1907
Jan Jones son of John & Mina STRACHAN. Hilton Park, Prestwich. Professor of Greek. University of Manchester.

Whitley Grant son of (as above)
Helena daughter of (as above)
Maive daughter of (as above)
Margaret daughter of (as above)
Louise daughter of (as above)

No dobs were recorded.

UK

[uksearch]

I found this at the end of the Unsworth film that carried marriages, baptisms and burials for the period 1730 to 1840.
The Humble Petition of the Congregation of St George's chapel in Unsworth in the Parish of Prestwich in the County of Lancaster. To the Nobility, Clergy, Gentry and Commonalty to whom those profits may come greeting. Whereas by the smallness of salary belonging to the said Chapel and Congregation have sometime since been destitute of a Minister to perform Divine Worship of Almighty God therein. And whereas the Principal part of the inhabitants of Unsworth aforesaid whose names are hereunder subscribed do purpose, by charitable asssistance of well disposed persons, to raise the sum of two hundred pounds, by which to accomplish Queen Ann's Bounty for the perpetual augmentation of the said Chapel's salary. Therefore we do not doubt when this humble request is made known to our Loving Neighbours, they will cheerfully subscribe towards accomplishing the same.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/QAB.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/QAB.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PresAlms.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/PresAlms.jpg)


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Pres.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Pres.jpg)
Here's a couple more from Prestwich.

UK

[uksearch]

This was written in the Baptismal Records for Holcombe Chapel...why???

Public notice was given in the chapel of Holcombe on Sunday 16th day of May 1824 that John Pilkington was apprentice[d] Clerk of said Chapel by me William Holt ????

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/hol.jpg

[Mythology]

Nothing especially *unusual* about this one, but it amused me, so I'll stick it in here ...

Found in the parish register of Alpheton, Suffolk, in 1810, a few entries after my lady who Suffolk FHS, unusually for them, have either missed or mistranscribed (probably the first, as it's pretty clear), we have, aged 6 days and with no first name ...

unbaptized, & base-born son of Mary Good

Didn't really live up to her name, did she? :D

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HOLCOMBE.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HOLCOMBE.jpg)

Although bits of this are unclear and the last few words are on another page, I am sure that you will get the gist of this letter that was filmed at the end of the Holcombe registers.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SHAW2.jpg

Here are some burials from Holy Trinity, Shaw from 1748. The sixth one down is a slightly suspicious death.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SHAW1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SHAW1.jpg)
This is another one from Shaw.

Now... I have been hawking this image around the various departments here for the last couple of weeks in an attempt to try to find somebody who understands the top right hand entry|banghead|. Tube of smarties to the person who can supply a plausible answer .

UK

[Wirral]

"April 27 1730 Buried James son of Henery Buckley Aged 7 years (donkey)" I guess he was kicked or fell off the latter. :(

[uksearch]

Bacup Chapel
This first three were filmed between the 1812 burials and the 1813 (new form of register)

Here ends the Old Register - [L]ive new one as prescribed by Act of Parliament.

This winter famous or memorable for nearly [4]00000 French men perishing through cold and the forces of the Russians or taken captive by the said Russians

In the year [1814] a handsome parsonage was errected for the Minister of the Church of Bacup by the Liberality of the Congregation - the Revd William
[H]orter being the incumbent.

Bacup Burial - quaint address
Ruth Pilling. Bottom of th' Yard.March 18th 1852. 29 years.

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HEY.jpg

This is one from the Chapelry of Lees, Hey. Another admin cockup.

UK

[uksearch]

This was taken from the films of the PRs of St Maragret's,Hollinwood. The death of the incumbent caused a few problems. Take a look at the following two links

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BISHOP1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BISHOP1.jpg)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BISHOP2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/BISHOP2.jpg)

Some of you may be interested in a thread on the Manchester forum entitled "The Owen Manuscripts".

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/1MILNROW.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/1MILNROW.jpg)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MILNROW.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MILNROW.jpg)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MILNROW2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MILNROW2.jpg)

There is a lot of extra information with these PRs, probably becasue of the care taken the Rev Raines,as will be seen in these links.

UK

[uksearch]

Here, in 1832, the Rev Raines is looking back on events which took place in the parish.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/EXCOM1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/EXCOM1.jpg)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/EXCOM2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/EXCOM2.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

The main entry is fairly easy to read but the note at the side is a bit more difficult. This chap must have been a bit of a big wig.

Samuel Howarth. Surveying General of Excise. Resident of Dublin, Ireland and died at Goodshaw June 11. 43 yrs

Born abroad in Rossendale was brother to G Howarth Minister of Goodshaw.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GOOODSHAW.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/GOOODSHAW.jpg)

[uksearch]

St Peter's Chapel, Oldham Baptisms

Oct 2nd 1768 Sally daughter of James UNREADBLE, weaver or Barber, Oldham by Mary his wife.

Feb 25th 1770 Betty daughter of James WHITTAKER, Cotton Weaver or Barber by Mary his wife.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STPaul.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STPaul.jpg)

This is from St Paul Chapelry, Chorlton on Medlock. It is not the best of images, the portion in the middle is supposed to be blank.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CONM.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CONM.jpg)

This is from St Paul's Chapel Chorlton on Medlock. The various minister here over the years tended to record slightly more information than was usual. They also had a large number of adult baptisms because of the proximity of The Ardwick Industrial School.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ROYTON.jpg

This was on the end of the film of burials at Royton Church. It concerns interments in the Church Yard and also lists a few baptisms.

UK

[Geoffers]

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CONM.jpg)This is from St Paul's Chapel Chorlton on Medlock. The various minister here over the years tended to record slightly more information than was usual. They also had a large number of adult baptisms because of the proximity of The Ardwick Industrial School.
This page is a good illustration of why it is often necessary to search for some years after birth, for baptisms. It doesn't just apply to the end of the 19th century, or to large towns - this is something which often appears throughout the 19th century. The registers for parishes which I have browsed vary as to detail recorded, sometimes a date of birth is included, more frequently there is an age.

Geoffers

[BeeE586]

Today I have done some research the old-fashioned, by which I mean sitting in a library before a fiche reader. The only way, in fact, as I was looking for pre 1837 burials in Worksop.

These came to light .....

23 11 1819 An unknown man of about 40 died in a lodging house in Lowtown
15 11 1826 An unknown man of about 54 Lowtown
13 10 1835 An unknown man of about 60 died in a lodging house in Norfolk Street
22 11 1837 Mary Turney aged 19 A stranger

Also found two surnames never seen before Uncle and Egg

Eileen -- |wave|

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WIKE.jpg

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WIKE.jpg)This a copy of some baptisms from St Stephen's Salford. In many ways this is one of the strangest entries I have seen. I can't begin to understand why a young woman would declare herself as being illegimate in the 1860's.It's not the best of images...
St Stephen's, Salford Nov 2 1865
Ann [dau of ] Charles & Eliza RENOLD, 1 Johnson St. Hatter. Born Apr [1st] 1850

*The register should be:-
Ann daughter of Eliza WIKE, 1 Johnson St. Altered at the request of the daughter on the [11th] Aug 1867. [signature of Rector]

UK

[uksearch]

Again this is from St Stephen's Salford. I guess that she was about to marry and not knowing whether or not she had been baptised took out the insurance.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stpaul1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stpaul1.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ststephens2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ststephens2.jpg)


St Stephen's Baptism
Born Sept 27th 1875. Baptised May 28th 1882 No 129. Margaret Ann [dau of] Thomas & Lydia ARMSTRONG 39 Broughton St. Mechanic

See last book. When question was put to mother "Has this child" etc she answered "No". Father of own accord corrected this mistake in the Vestry after service. He stated that child had previously been baptised by Rev J [Wheeler].

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SWINTON1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/SWINTON1.jpg)This is a baptism from Swinton Chapelry (No 646) and a note in with the registers. Self explanatory I think.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WESTH.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WESTH.jpg)


This is from the chapelry at Westhaughton. It was in amongst the baptism and dicusses extending the boundaries of the churchyard.

UK

[uksearch]

This an entry in the Westhaughton burials from 1770.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WESTH2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WESTH2.jpg)


Whereas Ellen my wife was interrd in the middle isle of the chapel of Westhaughton having first obtained leave of + from the [Rev] John Chifenhale the then curate or chaplain. I do hereby acknowledge [that] I have no [right] nor do I claim any authority to a burying place in the said chapel as witnessing [hand.]
John Hawkeshead

[uksearch]

I made a note of this one for a couple of reason. The minister here had a habit of using the same form of words in the footnotes to baptisms of children other than infants. I don't know if she was born in Bolton, but the father was from an area "slightly" out of the Parish

Church of St George Little Bolton
May 12 1833 Mary Jane* dau of Josiah & Jane HEELIS. Isle of Man. Victualler.

*Note. This child, when baptised was said to have been born on May 7 1821 and appeared of that age.

UK

[uksearch]

Here's an event or three from the above.
This was found opposite a page of burials.
James Hill of Wrigley Brook, ??????? 14 years transportation for paying Bad Notes. August 15th 1809

David son of Joseph & Ann Beasley Spinner+ "Neatiff" of Headehill. Born May 25th Baptised Sept 24th 1824.
+ an orthographical para (paza ?) avis

Jubilee by Name and Jubilee this day son of Josiah & Mary Schofield Shopkeeper of Lamond Near Heywood. born Oct 25th 1809.

UK

[uksearch]

I had to cut these from the previous message due to the dreaded repeating bug...not fixed yet eh?

These were in the burials.
Nov16 1810 a Harm belonging to Edw Taylor senr Jowkin (?) of Bamford.

Dec 18 1810 a Thumb interred belonging to Jacob Kay of Hindhill Heyward.

July 17 1812 A harm was interrd belonging to Ann wife of William Butterworth of Lane End Near Heywood

UK

[Colin Moretti]

I had to cut these ....
Cut being the operative word.

Harm = arm do you think?

Colin

[uksearch]

Cut being the operative word.

Harm = arm do you think?

Colin
I would think so.
The following records were recorded on film at the end of the burial register for St Mary's, Parsonage, Manchester.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary1.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary2.jpg)


Another one from St Mary's...a baptism. I had a bit of trouble reading this one and could easily be persuaded that there might be an alternative reading.

Richard Medowcroft son of John & Frances ???????? + born 26 Sept + baptised 22Oct 1793

+the above named Richard Medowcroft [himself] by Letters Patent under the great seal of Great Britain dated the 15 day of sept 1812 changed the name of [himself] to that of Whitlow

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/stmary3.jpg)

The clerk at St Mary's appears to have had a bad day on March 5th as most of the families left before giving their full details.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STMATTHEWL.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STMATTHEWL.jpg)

These were amongst the burial records at St Matthew's. Without these no burial.


UK

[uksearch]

This is from the final page of the burials at St Matthew's. Quite a "busy" page.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StMatthewsB.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StMatthewsB.jpg)

[uksearch]

This is a set of more recent entries from St James', Birch in Rusholme.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StJamesBirch.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StJamesBirch.jpg)

UK

[Mythology]

Re the certificates (message 146):
"Without these no burial".
And in the case of one of mine, no record of the burial without this cert!
Her death in 1847 coincided with the start of a new burial register. This register has gone AWOL, so there's nothing between then and some time in the 1870s (I forget the exact year) - but the nice minister saved some of the registrar's certs, including my girl's, they're in an envelope at the record office, so although I don't have her in the register I know she's there. :)

[uksearch]

Re the certificates (message 146):SNIP
- but the nice minister saved some of the registrar's certs, including my girl's, they're in an envelope at the record office, so although I don't have her in the register I know she's there. :)What a nice story:D . Totally unrelated but also a tale with a "nice" ending. I was chasing the birth of one of my lot. Census information told me she born in Hale (very posh) although her mother lived at 23 Lancaster St, Hulme (very...nah let's make that dogrough). As I was collecting the birth certificate I muttered to the Registrar that they lived in Lancaster St, Hulme.The Registrar got hold of the book and held it so that I could read the entry...at the side of the entry in pencil was "Home Address 23 Lancaster St, Hulme". As the child was born out of wedlock I guess that the family put her out to grass until the sprog was born. The mother eventually married her first cousin...possibly explains a lot.

UK

[uksearch]

This is a wedding correction from Albert Memorial Church, Collyhurst Manchester.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Albert2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Albert2.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Albert1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Albert1.jpg)


This is another one from Albert Memorial...another "fussy" correction

In No 183 Col 2 for Edwin read Edwin otherwise Edward corrected on the 18th October 1848 by me Wilfred [? ?????] in the presence of ????? Deputy Superintendent Registrar and J Hamilton and Beatrice Hamilton witnesses.

Corrected 40 year on..I wonder why?

UK

[Mythology]

Anyone's guess - but I know two of our members who have had fun with people who, like that one, can't make up their mind whether their name is Edwin or Edward.
I'm still trying to figure out why the father's name on the 1732 baptism record for one of my girls was corrected in 1819, nine years after she'd died. Her husband died the year after her, so he didn't have a hand in it. Her brother's 1738/9 baptism has an obviously naff version of the surname which hasn't been corrected, so I don't think somebody was having an early bash at doing the family history or they'd have spotted that too. :confused:

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StGeorgeSbridge.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StGeorgeSbridge.jpg)

This is from St George's, Stalybridge (C of E). There is a little bit more information on these records than is normal.

UK

[uksearch]

... and here are some burials from St George's.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StGeorgeSbridge2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StGeorgeSbridge2.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

St Nicholas, Newchurch Baptism 21st Jan 1838
Jane dau of Ann [HAWCOTTE], Carr Lane, -----*

*Born while the husband was away in America having been the reputed daughter of another man, as the husband left the house about 1827 or 1828.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Tyldesley.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Tyldesley.jpg)

This was found amongst the PRs at Tyldesley.

UK

[uksearch]

This is another burial from St Nicholas, Newchurch.

Ann wife of John Ashworth* (all deleted) Ann Ashworth. Spring Mill. March 7th 1837. 74 years.

*The name crossed out was a wrong description of the party, she being the widow of Richard Ashworth.

Not only that it indicated that her husband (whoever he was) was still living.

UK

[uksearch]

Mottram, St Michael's Baptism

No 2207 15th Jan 1832 Hampton Thomas*, son of William & Nancy MICKLEWAITE.Tintwisle. Dresser.

*No 2207 William Micklewaite the father of this child appeared before me on the 7th day of May 1857 & alleged that his son's name was given or intended to be given at his baptism as "Hamson Thomas" and not Hampton - W.Henry Jones M.A. Vicar

UK

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

This transcription from Thornhill Parish Register, written as is, has made me giggle! :D

Thomas Webster of Dewsburye and George Allan of Chickenley and Thomas Whitekers of Dewsburye haue bound themselues before the Justesses of Peace the 14th day of Aprill vnto Edward Briggs of Thornhill Churchwarden and to all his sucksers in a hundred markes of good and lawfull English monye to saue Thornhill Parish harmles from all Charges for euer of one Base begotten Child of the body of Mary Brooke of Thornhillees.
Anno Dom 1653

I realise that in this transcription, some words have u=v and v=u, but could someone please tell me what 'sucksers' means and was the currency really 'markes' in those days? :confused:

[Mythology]

I'd reckon "successors" - i.e., if Edward Briggs the churchwarden falls over, the bond still stands, no matter who becomes churchwarden after him.

Don't know the actual history of money that far back, but marks sounds OK to me.

[AnnB]

I realise that in this transcription, some words have u=v and v=u, but could someone please tell me what 'sucksers' means and was the currency really 'markes' in those days? :confused:
Could it be 'successors' - spelling obviously wasn't one of his strong points ;)
I think they did use markes in those days - equivalent to 13s 4d (I think)

Best wishes |wave|
Ann

[AnnB]

I thought you couldn't type fast Myth - obviously faster than me :o

Best wishes
Ann

[Mythology]

But I started five minutes earlier. ;)

Re the spelling, to some extent it's probably abbreviation. You do get a lot it in legal stuff - "Exor" for Executor, "Testrix" for Testatrix, "Admon" for Administration. Given that there wasn't any notion of "correct" spelling in 1653, just ignore the "k", treat it as an abbreviated word, and it looks a lot better then.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

|hug| to both for the explanations ..... I knew that someone would know the answers. Still don't know how she managed to get three of them to cough up the dosh though, unless it was Edward Briggs who decided that they all should pay, as one of them had to be the Father of her child. :cool:

[uksearch]

This was an entry in addition to the baptisms at Mottram in Longdendale...maybe he lost some on his travels and had to take stock of the rest;) ?

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MottraminLongdendale.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/MottraminLongdendale.jpg)

[uksearch]

Marriage Solemnized in the Parish of Bowdon in the County of Chester 1825
Sir John Benn WALSH Baronet of the Parish of [Warfield] in the County of Berks a Bachelor and the Right Hon Lady Jane GREY Daughter of the Earl of Stamford & Warrrington of this Parish a spinster were married in the Chapel of Dunham Massey by authority of a special Licence from the Archbishop of Canterbury this 8th day of November in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Five by me Thomas Hay Curate of ???????
Both signed.
In the presence of Stamford & Warrinton [Harriet Inge] Chas George DIGBY Mary LEGH ???? ??????? [Eustace] Thos HAMBLTON Georgina CHOLMONDELEY & ????
????????

UK

[uksearch]

Here is a marriage from St Luke's, Weaste, Salford. Once again correcting the details of names.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Weaste.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Weaste.jpg)

[BeeE586]

In inventories of the sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries the noble, the mark and their fractions were often used for valuation - e.g iij Li xiij s iiij d = £3 13 4
or Liij s iiij d = 53s 4d or £2 13 4.

Sometimes vj viij = 6s 8d or xxvj viij = £1 6 8.

Sometimes xx d twenty pence or 1s 8d; iij s iiij d = 3s 4d. Amounts such as ij s vj d = 2s 6d or iiij s = 4s or xijd = 1s were used but less often.

It certainly taxed one's brain when trying to add up these strange amounts, especially in Roman numerals after so many years of decimalization. The appraisors of the time often got the total wrong as well.

There were also gold angels and Edward shillings just to confuse the issue.

Eileen

[uksearch]

Disley Chapel PRs have a large collection of odd entries, some of which I wonder why they were filmed. I need to explain a few things; Charles Satterthwaite was the incumbent; William John Legh was a local bigwig who owned land in several locations and worshipped in this Chapel; Disley and Golborne are about 34 miles apart.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Disley2.jpg

[uksearch]

I found this note in amongst the burials.
In the year 1887 the rain fall from Jan 1st to Aug 8th was 12 1/2 inches. I measured the overflow of the spring in the Vicarage field and it was flowing 7 quarts in two minutes - The overflow at the water trough in the Red Lane was 6 quarts a minute - that is to say the spring is now producing 2160 gallons per day at least - This year the rainfall is less than has been known for 36 years
CJ Satterthwaite Incumbent of Disley
(there was a newspaper clipping of a table of rainfall for the last 36 years also)

UK

[uksearch]

This is taken from the Grave Register at Disley.

D23: There is a dispute between Seth Wickham and Mrs Billings as to the ownership of this grave. The grave must not be opened until this dispute is settled. CJ Satterthwaite Oct 5th 1895.

UK

[uksearch]

This was in amongst the burials at Disley.

UK
http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/?action=view&current=Disley1.jpg (http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/?action=view&current=Disley1.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Disley3.jpg


Here is another one from Disley with comments by the Rev C J Satterthwaite.

Ellen No 20 Nov 4 (1874)
The infant child was found hidden in the Park wall near the big Lodge was baptised Aug 31 1874. The child was walled up in the wall and naked when found - happened to have been put there by a woman not yet taken

*The child Ellen died of inflamation of the lungs - An inquest was held

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Disley4.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Disley4.jpg)


The Disley PRs are very comprehensive and there is one film devoted to minutes of meetings, letters sent, letters received etc... The Rev CJ Satterthwaite seems to have been some what of a "character" who managed to get himself into scrapes with his parishoner over various matters like the choir, choosing church wardens and the running of the local school. Long after the Rev CJ had moved on the school was still involved with controversy, with School Inspectors being called in. The link above is press cutting which was filmed with the PRs and for its time, very outspoken. Today maybe a television company would make a series about these goings on, perhaps they would call it The Vicar of Disley.(Ouch)

UK

[uksearch]

This is baptism from Ribchester in 1842. I think that the minister knows what he wants to say, but just didn't have the guts. On the other hand he may well have been commentating on what was the state of the marriage at that time.

Born April [1st]: April 22nd Dorothy dau of Elizabeth SIM. A woman living separate from her husband.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/LEYLAND1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/LEYLAND1.jpg)


If you take a look at the link above you will see a letter from The Genealogical Department of the LDS to the Vicar of Leyland. It was amongst the films of the PRs.

UK

[uksearch]

I came across a marriage (1918) at Preston, St John. The Grooms occupation was listed as 1st 45th KOYLI. Would I be corrrect in thinking that this was the King's Own Yeomany & Light Infantry or something close to that? No time to Google right now.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

Almost

King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry

Colin

[uksearch]

Almost

King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry

Colin

Cheers

|cheers|

UK

[uksearch]

Here a couple of burial entries from Backford.

Thomas GRIFFITH or GRIFFITHS. Backford. 27th Feb 1832. 22years.*

*Shot by a gamekeeper while poaching.
(not an egg I presume)

John PHILLIPS. Backford. 5th Aug 1836.*

*Hanged himself in the Belfry.

UK

[uksearch]

This was filmed just before the opening pages of a register starting in 1649 but looks to date from about 1716. Anyone care to take a stab at translating the main text?

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Backford2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Backford2.jpg)
Not the best of images

[uksearch]

Here is another couple of Backford burials.

Hannah TASKER (deleted) Ellis. Backford. Dec 29th 1828. 68 years.*

*Married ????? but went by the name of TASKER

Mary JONES. Upton. Oct 22nd 1821. 54 years.*

*Dropsy - Lost 66 quarts of water at 21 tappings in 4 years.

UK

[uksearch]

This is another baptism from Backford.
April 4th 1858 Frederick son of Thomas & Leah Atkinson. Backford. Gardener.

It appears that the gentleman concerned was not sure when he was born, so he asked the vicar to check his PRs.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Backford1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Backford1.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HESWALL1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HESWALL1.jpg)

Here is a marriage from Heswall, St Peter's. The father of the groom was an artist of some note, but that is not the only reason why I have included it in this collection. A packet of Fishemens' Friends to the first person to reply with the other reason:D .

UK

[Colin Moretti]

Is it because the woman is entered first? It's certainly the first time I've seen it.

Colin

[uksearch]

Is it because the woman is entered first? It's certainly the first time I've seen it.

Colin
First prize and a gold star:) . It's the first one I have seen also. It jumped out at me even before I had threaded the reel.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

At last I've got something right!|jumphappy

I seem to have been making more than my fair share of boo-boos recently

Colin

[uksearch]

This from All Saints, Marple. It is a table of fees approved by the Chester Dioceses for 1920 and I guess would be similar to other areas.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Marple1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Marple1.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ChesterClergy.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ChesterClergy.jpg)

The above was found in the PRs for Heswall, St Peter...it's a begging letter on behalf of the Chester Diocese clergy.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Directions1754.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Directions1754.jpg)



This was also found in with the Heswall PRs. Sometimes the camermen film these pages, often they don't.

UK

[uksearch]

This is a marriage from Heswall. This time they listed the bride's father as the groom's father and visa versa.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HESWALL2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/HESWALL2.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

Here are a couple of consecutive entries for Delph Independent PRs. I had to read these several times before getting the full gist. At first I thought that I was dealing with the same father but all became clearer under greater magnification.

James son of John PLATT, Clothier. Heathfield, Saddleworth and Mary his wife whose maiden name was SHAW, born December 1st and was baptised December 25th 1821 by me John Adamson Licenced Teacher & Preacher.

John son of James PLATT, Clothier. Primrose, Saddleworth and his wife Sarah whose maiden name was BRADBURY was born June 5th 1821 and baptised december 26th 1821 by me John Adamson Licenced Teacher & Preacher.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Knutsford1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Knutsford1.jpg)


These are the first entries in the PRs of Knutford marriages after the new Act of Parliament became law in 1754.

UK

[uksearch]

This was hiding away in the PRs of Runcorn.

August 8 1803 In consequence of notice given publicly in the Church on Sunday the 9th August by WE [KENT] M A Vicar of Runcorn, the undermentioned persons inhabitants of Runcorn and Weston assembled at the Bowling Green and unanimoulsy determined to form themselves into a voluntary military association for the defence of the country.

UK

[uksearch]

This was amongst the marriages at Coppenhall and justifies the reasons for altering this particular entry. The Vicar of this Parish was a man who made alterations in a bold manner, as will be seen with later examples.

UK
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall1.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall2.jpg)

This is one of those marriage records where the man signs his name just as it was written above...and then he changes his mind some time later.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall4.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall4.jpg)

This is a burial from Coppenhall. They have gone slightly ott with this entry. It covers the whole page of the register.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Coppenhall3.jpg)


This is another example of a groom's name being wriitten in the register, he signs it using the same name and again later changes his mind.

UK

[uksearch]

Here is a burial entry from Church Minshull dating from 1770.

Leighton James ARCHER. March 4 in the 105 year of his age.

UK

[uksearch]

Church Minshull Baptism Jan 17 1836
No 553 George* son of John & Jane NEWTON. Minshull. Labourer

*I have [ ] reason to believe that this might (sic) to have entered " Sarah dau of John & Jane NEWTON" - they have a son name George (see above No 286) and this is entered in Briscall's (the Parish Clerk's) book as "Sarah". John NEWTON had a daughter named "Sarah" who was born about this time.

GB Sandford Nov 23 1845

UK

[uksearch]

St Philip's, Hulme April 14th 1906 (Marriage)
James Frederick BARNHAM, 21, Bachelor, Carter, 26 Humphrey St. Illegitimate son of Jamess HOLDING & Sarah Ann BARNHAM...

UK

[uksearch]

These are two consecutive entries in the PRs of St Philip, Salford but they are five days apart. On the first one look at the bride's father and the first witness's signature. Then look at the groom on the second marriage.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STPHILIPSAL1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/STPHILIPSAL1.jpg)

[uksearch]

This is a marriage from St Philip's, Salford and this footnote has me puzzled. In fact I think a footnote is needed to explain the footnote:) .


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSalford2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSalford2.jpg)


UK

[John]

This is a marriage from St Philip's, Salford and this footnote has me puzzled. In fact I think a footnote is needed to explain the footnote:) .


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSalford2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSalford2.jpg)


UK
Interesting isn't it? I wonder if any other than those two marriages were solemnised by Fox?
What is a superintendants certificate and might that be the cause for the strange footnote?
Or could it be something not directly connected with the cert, gossip in the community that the marriage was not valid or such like?

[uksearch]

Actually I've come across a few marriages where a Superintendent Registrar's Certificate has has been used, mainly at places like St Thomas's, Ardwick where many of the local big wigs were wed, and other outlying Chapels within the parish of Manchester.
This topic was mentioned in another thread and the following link was given.

http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm (http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/marriages.htm)

It gives a few possible reasons.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Corrections.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Corrections.jpg)


The above link shows the "approved" examples of corrections of errors in completed marriage entries.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ryudry.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ryudry.jpg)

The above was found in the Registers at St Philip's, Salford. when the lady concerned was married she was in her early twenties, so by the time she wrote the letter, she would have been in her early sixties.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSal3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipSal3.jpg)


This is yet another marriage from St Philip's, Salford. The writing in pencil in the rh margin was to bad too come out in this image or on the microfilm, so I had a gander at the original.
This marriage is null & void. 5th Dec'95
Case remanded at Salford Police Court till 7th Dec '95.

UK

[Mythology]

What a shame that Margaret Griffiths, the bigamist, is 32 not 22, and pretends to be a widow, so isn't a Griffiths by birth.
If she was ten years younger and a real Griffiths, she'd be just right for my Margaret Charlotte Whitney Griffiths of 1872 - her oldest sister, Eliza of 1853, shacked up with mum's brother and claimed to be his wife, so it would be just in the family style. :D

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipsal4.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/StPhilipsal4.jpg)

Another "busy" entry from St Philip's, Salford. This time the Groom's father "reclaims" him 28 years after the event.

UK

[uksearch]

This letter was filmed with the Prestbury marriages. I could not find evidence of the marriage having taken place at Prestbury.

UK

[Mythology]

"I could not find evidence of the marriage"

I couldn't find any evidence of the letter!
Methinks you forgot to upload something, UK. :D

[uksearch]

"I could not find evidence of the marriage"

I couldn't find any evidence of the letter!
Methinks you forgot to upload something, UK. :DWell I blame that Rod Neep fellow. He got me all of a bother and gave me hot flushes at the prospect of getting a copy of the GLS PRs- Marriages (17 Vols) CD:) .

It probably wasn't worth the wait but here is the link:D .

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WPBanns.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/WPBanns.jpg)

UK

[Mythology]

Aha - got it now. :)
As dad's objected, asking to "forbid the Banns", I wouldn't expect to find evidence of the *marriage*. Dad doesn't seem to know where his son's intending to get hitched anyway - but if the banns book is kicking around, there *could* be something in that like just the first of the three required dates with an accompanying note if dad wasn't too quick off the mark.

[uksearch]

Aha - got it now. :)
As dad's objected, asking to "forbid the Banns", I wouldn't expect to find evidence of the *marriage*. Dad doesn't seem to know where his son's intending to get hitched anyway - but if the banns book is kicking around, there *could* be something in that like just the first of the three required dates with an accompanying note if dad wasn't too quick off the mark.I 've not had a look for a Banns book yet, but Cheshire bmd has a Joseph BURGESS marrying a Sarah BANCROFT at Bowdon , St Mary's in the June qtr of 1845. It's not a million miles from Prestbury and close to Wilmslow Parish. So maybe..just maybe:)

UK

[uksearch]

The Parish Registers at Prestbury seem to have an inordinate number of deaths by fire and the result of being ran over by carts. There was also a lot of mining deaths in area that many people would not realise had pits. In fact as late as the 1970s my brother owned a coal pit in Poynton. The coments in the early registers were of a " compasionate" nature


Sam MOTTERSHEAD who died through the inclemency of the weather. Northern Etchells. Jan 20 1818. 61 years.

Mary Ann HUDSON who was accidently killed by a quanity of sand falling upon her.

UK

[uksearch]

Prestbury burials.

Mary HAYWORTH who was burned while in a fitt(sic) which caused her death. Bollington. Jan 5 1821. 39 years.

Margaret wife of Thos RYLANCE Capt in 43 Regt of Foot who died at Dublinin Ireland and was buried from Potts Shrigley. Mar 22 1821. 39 years.

Thomas BARBER who was killed by taking Laudonum and Spirits of Wine. Macclesfield. Apr 25 1821. 51 years.

UK

[uksearch]

Prestbury Burials


Joseph GARDENER who drowned himself in a fit of despondency. Upton. Aug 17 1821

Maria RATHBONE who strayed from Home and perished through fatigue and distress. Macclesfield. Jan 17 1822. 8 years

Daniel LONGWORTH who was accidentally killed by a cart wheel passing over him. Mottram. July 16 1822. 16 yrs.

UK

[uksearch]

Prestbury Burials
John BROOKE who was killed by a Person or Persons unknown by stabbing him in the Night. Tytherington. Sep 17 1822. 37 years

William FORD who hanged himslf in the Township of Tytherington he being insane. Mar 11 1824. 21 years

Joseph REDDISH. Prestbury Nov 28 1824. 62 years*

* Parish Clerk more than 20 years

After this date any comments made were few and far between.

UK

[uksearch]

These are some entries from St John's Chester...a few years apart. At the time of the burials on the link, the clerk was quite ready to add little snippets of information.

Thomas, name of parents unknown. House of Industry. 10th June 1835 . 6 months*

*Left at door in Housegate Street.


http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CHESTER1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CHESTER1.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

This one will test your eyes a bit;) . More from Chester with an even "chatier" Clerk.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CHESTER2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/CHESTER2.jpg)

[uksearch]

Daresbury, All Saints Baptism
August 16th 1816 Catherine daughter of John & Ellen (a negro woman) POLLARD.


UK

[uksearch]

Witton (Northwich), St Helen is one of those little interesting places that kept "Dade" registers from 1779 to 1862 and after 1813 kept auxilary Baptism Registers, an example of which is on the link below. It is not the best of images and I was not able to scan it completely...but you get the idea.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit1.jpg)

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit2.jpg)Here is an early marriage from Witton. Two thirds of the image is blurred but on the first entry you will notice that the ages of the bride and groom are given.

UK

[John]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit2.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/wit2.jpg)Here is an early marriage from Witton. Two thirds of the image is blurred but on the first entry you will notice that the ages of the bride and groom are given.

UK
Is that really 31 and 81 or is that rather a bad 21?

[uksearch]

Is that really 31 and 81 or is that rather a bad 21?
I would have thought 21...if not imagine...

UK

[uksearch]

Here are some baptisms from Witton in 1832. The last three had presumably already been baptised.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit3.jpg)

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit4.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit4.jpg)

Here is another set of baptisms with some added information in one particular case.

UK

[uksearch]

These are burials from Witton in 1803, again after 1812 they kept auxilary records. The headings are: Person's Name; Place of Abode; Professsion; Father & Mother's Name; Place of Abode; When Died; When Buried; Where Buried; What Disorder. Age.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit6.jpg

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit5.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/Wit5.jpg)

Here is another extract from Witton. Between May 27 and Aug 12th 1832 57 people who died from cholera were buried in this graveyard.

UK

[uksearch]

This is a marriage from a chapelry in the Parish of Ashton upon Mersey. A special licence was issued.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/AONM1.jpg

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY1.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY1.jpg)The above is a link to an image from the Parish Records of St Mary, Alderley.

UK

[uksearch]

This is another entry from Alderley which describes the location of a vault.

UK

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY2.jpg

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY3.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY3.jpg)



Another extract from St Mary's, Alderley. This is the first of several pages covering the dispute between the then Rector and the Parishioners.

UK

[uksearch]

I found the PRs at Alderley full of interesting distactions and entries. Here is a death notice from 1802.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY5.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY5.jpg)


I guess it helps to post the link:o |banghead| |5cups|

UK

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Oooer .... that's the second time you've done that UK! :D

The bad news is, everything goes in threes! ;)

[uksearch]

Oooer .... that's the second time you've done that UK! :D

The bad news is, everything goes in threes! ;)Too many late nights sleeping rough|nopity| .

Here is another entry from st Mary's, Alderley.
Be it remembered that on the 11th day of October 1796 were married in Fletching Church, County of Sussex John Thomas STANLEY [????], eldest son of Sir John Thomas STANLEY, Bart. of Alderley Park, Cheshire to Honble Maria Josepha HOLROYD eldest daughter of the Right Honble Lord SHEFFIELD.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY4.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY4.jpg)

These are a couple letters filmed with the registers. The enquirer is asking for details from the registers.

UK

[uksearch]

From St Mary's, Alderley.

A new Pulpit and Communion cloth were presented to the Parish on Easter Sunday 1807 by Sir John Thomas STANLEY of Alderley in the County of Cheshire.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

The Pulpit cloth was the gift of Mrs Phoebe HARPER AD 1631.
Edward STANLEY Rector

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY7.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY7.jpg)


Here are four examples of Briefs from Alderely Parish Records for 1692. The first one is probably the best known as it gets a mention in The Parish Chest.

UK

[uksearch]

St Mary's, Alderley
The Honable Maria Jospha STANLEY Dau of The Right Honable Lord SHEFFIELD & Abigail/Lady SHEFFIELD. Sheffield Place, Sussex. Born Sept 28th baptised Nov 8th 1810.

Sep 23 1833 Maude Althea dau of Edward John & Henrietta Maria STANLEY. Nether Alderley. Esquire.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY8.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY8.jpg)

This is a link to part of the map of church pews at St Mary's, Alderley.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY6.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY6.jpg)

These are some instructions for the Church Wardens.

UK

[uksearch]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY9.jpg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c214/uksearch2003/ALDERLEY9.jpg)

This is from the church wardens' accounts book. The main point is the memo

Memorandum that it is agreed by us whose names are subscribed assembled at a parish meeting (whereof we are the [majority???]), that henceforth nothing be allowed for the killing of urchins: But do consent that for every fox killed within the parish of Alderley the Church wardens shall pay the sum of Two shillings and six pence to be entered into their accounts.

UK

[Colin Moretti]

I feel it's time someone else posted to this thread, (not that I'm tired of uksearch's efforts, far from it) here are two to be getting on with, from Biggleswade.

Colin

Here's a tragedy for the village:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/colinmoretti/Biggleswadefire.jpg

Here the Honourable Sir John Cotton Barronet (sic) obviously exerted some pressure on his tenants:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/colinmoretti/VicaridgeHouse.jpg

[uksearch]

I feel it's time someone else posted to this thread, (not that I'm tired of uksearch's efforts, far from it) here are two to be getting on with, from Biggleswade.

Colin
SNIP

The more the merrier I say:) .

UK

[Colin Moretti]

Here's another from Biggleswade:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m1/colinmoretti/Registerbook.jpg
The first para is perhaps the most interesting, pity it's not legible. Here's the text:

The Register Book for [th]e Parish of Biggleswade in [th]e County of Bedford bought at the Parish charge in [th]e year of our Lord 1696

Thomas Miles Vicar
William Rudd )
John Wright ) Churchwardens

I'm puzzled by the date in the third para: October [th]e 23rd 1693 with 1708 written above the 1693, any suggestions? And why should this be entered anyway when the event was recorded in "[th]e old Register"?

Colin

[Colin Moretti]

...that henceforth nothing be allowed for the killing of urchins:
What's an urchin here? I used to be described as an urchin when I was a little lad; I'm sure that they didn't go around killing little boys for the money!

Colin