Ancestry - again!

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

I have a yearly sub with them and I found out in another forum on here, that people were viewing the 1851 Census images yesterday. I logged in and there was no mention of this Census on the Home Page.

I have found out from a friend, the link to access it (which I did and got the image) ...... so why are they being sneaky? |rant| Why do others have this link and I didn't?

[Ed McKie]

I have a yearly sub with them and I found out in another forum on here, that people were viewing the 1851 Census images yesterday. I logged in and there was no mention of this Census on the Home Page.

I have found out from a friend, the link to access it (which I did and got the image) ...... so why are they being sneaky? |rant| Why do others have this link and I didn't?

But is it the whole of the 1851 census indexed or that "sample" which has been around for ages and has now appeared on Ancestry ?

Ed

[Chasing Caseys]

Hello Diane

I just recieved this email from Lost Cousins.........abbreviated version!

1851 CENSUS JUST DAYS AWAY!
There's more good news - we understand from Ancestry that
the 1851 Census of England & Wales will be added to their site
within days. As the first census to show accurate ages and
birthplaces it's going to be an absolute goldmine of information for
genealogists, and we can't wait to see it!

Existing Ancestry members may find that they can access the 1851
Census already by going to 1851-census which is
an Ancestry spin-off site. Certainly worth a try (it worked for us)!

I didnt have the link either

[Geoffers]

Don't sign up to Arsencty - I like to spell their name in a similar manner to the way they've indexed some names on their site :) - buy the CD-roms (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_1682.html) from Archive CDBooks instead; you can browse to your heart's content and pick up all sorts of interesting snippets that you'd never find by just searching an inadequate index.

Grumpy of Charlbury

[Chasing Caseys]

My Ancestry sub has expired and I have no immediate plans to re join (the main reason being i dont have a credit card anymore so i cant !). I would buy the CD-roms but cant get my head around what i would need as there seems to be so many. I should find the time to read through the Archive CD page.

[Peter Goodey]

I particularly like this passage:

"If searching through reems of census microfilm in a closed of room in the old PRO or in a record office, library or family history society isn't your favourite pastime, why not browse through those records in the comfort of your own home with Ancestry.co.uk and the new 1851 Census?"

Would anyone care to start deconstructing that?

[Rod Neep]

Nope ;)

But one could start by correcting the spelling and grammar.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Thanks for all the replies and for supplying the answer for me ..... I didn't sign up for their spam! :)

Your nickname for them is very good Geoffers, but I prefer the name of Ancesspit, which was kindly given to me by a friend! :D I do buy what I can from Archive CD Books, but through no fault of theirs, poor Rod and the Team haven't managed to scan all the ones I need for Yorkshire. I purchased their 1861 Census CD for Dewsbury Reg. District and fully intend to buy them all for my other areas, when the NA get their act sorted out and send the films to Rod!

I can't afford to buy ALL the Census CD's for ALL of Yorkshire from S & N, besides ..... Archive CD Books are better quality according to messages in these Forums. I was lucky with Cornwall and bought all the years which Archive CD Books had scanned, even the 1881 for one of my areas of Falmouth Reg. District. I had to buy the 1851 Census CD for Cornwall from Gordon Beavington though, but only because Rod hadn't done it.

I use *Ancesspit* as a necessary evil to track my missing people, but I still want the CD's here at home with me, when they become available, but that could take some time. Not knowing how long I've got before I 'pop my clogs' I'd rather find out now, where my Dead & Dusties are ...... rather than asking them in person! ;)

As for going to dusty old Offices etc. to trawl through microfiche/films myself, if only I could, I would love to be able to do that again!

[Mark]

Don't sign up to Arsencty - I like to spell their name in a similar manner to the way they've indexed some names on their site :) - buy the CD-roms from Archive CDBooks instead; you can browse to your heart's content and pick up all sorts of interesting snippets that you'd never find by just searching an inadequate index.

Grumpy of Charlbury

Hmmm ... Cornwall 1851 from ACDB? Cornwall 1861 in greyscale from ACDB? Cornwall 1891 from ACDB? Cornwall 1901 from ACDB?

Don't misunderstand me though, I'm very happy with the 1841 and 1871 from ACDB, also some of the 1861. But if there's no ACDB product, then you have to shop where there is product available.

Also, I did find one HATTAM family in Yorkshire in 1871 thanks to Ancestry. I'd probably never have discovered them there otherwise. In 1861 they were in Cornwall, and pretty soon after they hopped it to Australia. Beats buying the whole of Yorkshire and looking through every single image just in case.

Mark

[johnpritt]

I have to agree with Mark. Cumberland please?
Also, as frustrating as the Ancestry indexes are, at least they exist and (with a fertile imagination) do allow you to find people. In my case, I've found various Pritt families masquerading under different names, like Pirt, Peart, Britt, etc. Some were obvious indexing errors, others were actually written like that in the census.
I'll continue to use Ancestry. I'll also buy the CDs as and when they are available.
Another advantage of Ancestry is that I can access it from work (oops, hope my boss doesn't read this) without having to carry the CDs with me all the time.

[sandiep]

I agrre with Mark, Having some index is better than none and yes sometimes the miss transcription is annoying but I feel I have had very good value from Ancestry and likewise I have had very good value from Archive CD's. All forms of research have their values and I will use all possible.

sandie

[Trish]

So what gives with Ancestry's 1851 census??? And I mean the full blown census not the meager 1851 census sample that's been on offer for ages...

It was available to subscribers at ancestry but it's been taken down. Ah well. It was great while it lasted... Perhaps Ancestry was just floating it out there in beta testing mode.

As for 1851-census-- weirdly enough, this link gives access to everything but '51 info -- 1861, 1871, etc., sure, but not 1851.[/color]

I guess I just have to wait for the official launch.

Trish

[Rod Neep]

You will find that British Origins has more search options in the census. Plus the fact that the scanned images are the very best that it is possible to get from the films;) :)

[John]

You will find that British Origins has more search options in the census. Plus the fact that the scanned images are the very best that it is possible to get from the films;) :)
Um, I wonder who did them then;)

John

[AnnB]

You will find that British Origins has more search options in the census. Plus the fact that the scanned images are the very best that it is possible to get from the films;)
I have a subscription with British Origins and am very pleased that I have. One of the things that swayed me was discovering that a certain supplier of census CD's (the name escapes me at the moment :rolleyes: ) supplied the scanned images ;)

Best wishes
Ann
PS I think it was Archive CD Books :D

[John]

PS I think it was Archive CD Books :D
No! I don't believe that. :cool:

[Chasing Caseys]

So far i dont see 1851 census mentioned on British Origins only 1841 & 71 am i looking at the wrong info page ?

[Copper]

I have been toying with the idea of a subscription online (I also belong to 4 FHS and my mother is a member of a different 4) but did not want to use Angst. I will look at Origins after Rod's handy tip off :)

[Wirral]

I find that the British Origins search facility is excellent. You can choose "Exact", "Near Variants" or "All variants" for both surname & first name. Also, instead of typing in a place name, you choose from a dropdown list of parishes for that county. You can then sort the list of names it comes up with. I find that very useful to see the frequency of a name in a particular area, to find who & where the oldest individuals with a surname come from, or just to educate myself on the names of parishes in a county I have never visited.
The downside is that at the moment it only covers 18 counties in the 1841 census & a few mainly around London for the 1871 census.

[Chasing Caseys]

Supposing i was to find someone on the 1841 census, can i then view the original ? I suppose us with mainly Scottish roots have been a bit spoilt as to what we can view. Very soon, Scotland hope to have the 1841/51 census on line which hopefuly will be smoother than Ancestry,s launch ;)

[mary elms]

Very soon, Scotland hope to have the 1841/51 census on line Yes Tracey, but they've effectively been saying "next season" ever since they started! I really don't mind waiting (you can't achieve everything at once) but I do wish that their projections were a bit more realistic! :rolleyes:

Mary.

PS - Yes I like the British Origins site as well. And on those occasions when I really couldn't get up to London and "needed" to trawl a census I have used Stepping Stones' growing collection of on line images too.

[Wirral]

Hi Tracey
Yes, you do see the census images with British Origins. Forgot to say that there is only one Welsh 1841 county (Monmouthshire) at the moment, all the rest are English.
You can also see "previous" & "next" images, so you can look at an entire area. Takes a bit longer than using the cd.

[Burrow Digger]

For some reason I cannot see the images at British origins, but I think I'm missing some bit of software. Doesnt worry me anyway since I also have the 1841 & 71 census CDs for my part of Devon from Archive CD Books, :)

Subscribing to British origins was the best decision I ever made. I get the search feature of the index for 1841 and then I can check out the original images on my CD.


BD

[Chasing Caseys]

Hi Mary

But they give us hope !! I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for it and they will probably drop off or need physio by the time they doo come on but when they do i will be on the move again ! What is Stepping Stones ?

Hi Wirral
I have never got to grips with British Origins searches maybe i should be more patient but as far as i can see the census doesnt include Cumberland which is my most urgent place need for confirmation family link to Scotland |banghead|

[Chasing Caseys]

Burrow Digger

I cant remember the site i had to download Djvu software ( possibly 1837 on line) from but in order for me to view the image as an aol user ( as aol doesnt use internet explorer it has its own ???) Once the image had downloaded - right click and where it says open with, click internet explorer -assuming IrfanView (?) works the same way and you dont use internet explorer - then it should (might) open.
Worth a try :)

[Wirral]

Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire & Licolnshire seem to be the furthest north so far for British Origins.

[Chasing Caseys]

Assuming that was for my benefit :o
Thanks Wirral

[Clive Blackaby]

Considering how many other sites seem to drop you into their net, perhaps it should be Incestry.com!

But in their defence, they are making progress - with a bit of luck I will have access to Hertfordshire censuses for 1851 and even 1841 shortly. I've been asking ACDB when this will be available for 2 years now, and received no answers.

Provided you are aware that the indexes are not 100% accurate - OK are pretty dreadful - you can develop your own defensive strategy.

I can understand the commercial problems that ACDB have with censuses, but I'd rather have delivery of something I can work with than promises of jam tomorrow. Sorry if that sounds bitter, but I'm prepared to give A.C a break

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

For anyone who's interested, this is the link for IrfanView (the best thing since sliced bread!)

http://www.irfanview.com/

It's free, click Downloads and don't forget to download the Plug-ins. :)

[Fulhamster]

For some reason I cannot see the images at British origins, but I think I'm missing some bit of software. Doesnt worry me anyway since I also have the 1841 & 71 census CDs for my part of Devon from Archive CD Books, :)

Subscribing to British origins was the best decision I ever made. I get the search feature of the index for 1841 and then I can check out the original images on my CD.


BD
Hiya BD!
I couldn't view images either, but you can download the (free) program to enable you to do so from the site. I looked at the site last night after reading Rods' post and signed up, it really is a very good site especially for a 'newbie' like myself. I must say that as good as the images are on the site you cannot beat the real thing ie; ACDB Cds! ;)

[Burrow Digger]

Hiya BD!
I couldn't view images either, but you can download the (free) program to enable you to do so from the site. I looked at the site last night after reading Rods' post and signed up, it really is a very good site especially for a 'newbie' like myself. I must say that as good as the images are on the site you cannot beat the real thing ie; ACDB Cds! ;)


You just proved my point!! :D

Thats exactly why I'm not worried about not seeing any images and I have no intentions of downloading any new software. MY CDs are more than adequate. :)

BD

[Burrow Digger]

"For some reason I cannot see the images at British origins, but I think I'm missing some bit of software."

NOTICE: Entirely at your own risk! What with different operating systems plus different software that people have or do not have on their PC, I accept no responsibility if you can't get it working and some of your existing stuff gets screwed up in the process......



LOL Um Myth, I never said I couldn't get it to work. :D Please see my above post.

BD

[Procat]

Hi Diane,

Assuming you are still not on the Ancestry mailing list - the 1851 British census is now officially available.

Well, it is meant to be but I keep getting no hits in 1851 if I enter through the home page so I would suggest keep trying.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Thanks for the info Doug, I'm not on their mailing list as you say. However, I won't be dashing over there (never tried at all since the first day, to do one test image, before it went walkabouts!) as a new second cousin on my Yorksher line, found me last night via Genes Reunited. |woohoo|

[sandiep]

1851 is now officially on Ancestry and working perfectly say that quietly dont want to spoil it and frighten it away

sandie

[Pam Downes]

1851 is now officially on Ancestry and working perfectly say that quietly dont want to spoil it and frighten it away
If anyone is having trouble finding a George on the 1851, then try spelling the name as Geroge, because there's 5206 of them.
I am reliably informed that Ancestry know of the error but have yet to correct it.

Pam Downes

[Mark]

Charlotte what?

Give us the likely surname, birth year and parish of birth, and we'll all have a go.

I've seen various enumerators' variations, Sharlot, Lottie and so on.

Mark

[Pam Downes]

Funnily enough I remember seeing a Charlotte when I was searching for someone else. I've just found her again, and she's been transcribed as Charlott. Her family will be a nightmare to find.
Caroline has been spelt by the enumerator as Carloine, Emma has been spelt Emha, and in fairness to the transcriber who has *correctly transcribed the first two names as spelt*, Charlotte as per the enumerator does seem to be minus the 'e' at the end, whilst George seems to be missing the 'r'. Though if you look closely you could argue that what appears to be the first part of the 'g' is actually the 'r'. Maris as transcribed gave me a problem till I saw a Mary on the previous page.
So if anyone is missing an Oakes family try HO107/1965 f 117 p20 and f 118 p 30.

Some of the writing on the 1851 is appalling, whilst on other sheets the writing is so faint as to be almost invisible. So although some of the incorrect transcribing (such as Geroge) is sheer carelessness and inexcusable, quite a lot is due to other factors.

Pam Downes

[Ken Boyce]

Any clues for duff Charlottes, Pam? ;)

(Having spent years trawling half the country for 3x great-granny on the 1851 with no luck, I had a bash at their 1851 on a friend's PC earlier this evening and I'm still none the wiser as to where she is or what dodgy name she's using - glad I'm not paying for it!)

Hi Myth (part 1)

Here is a list of words that have been wrong transcriptions for Charlotte

Charwoman
Charge
Charlton
Charmaine
Chantelle
(Source Anon)

It is not easy to visulize all the ways in which a name can be enumerated or transcribed incorrectly. A trick that I use sometimes is to use the LDS 1881 plus Viewer 4 and browse the advance search word wheel for all words that could be incorrect variations of say Charlotte. If one clicks on the word as one browses the wheel the search engine adds the word to the advance search window as an OR. When the window gets full one can copy and paste into Notepad or similar and use each word as required to search a databank. This allows me to search many more variants than I can normally dream up.

[Ken Boyce]

(Part 2)
Here is an example for Charlotte taken off off the wordwheel for East Anglia which I know you have an interest in.


challock | challote | challous | challock | challow | chalotte | chalton | chaltons | charcote | chardstock | chardstok | charfont | charlat | charlate | charlcott | charlecote | charlett | charlette | charlick | charllot | charllota | charllota | charllote | charllott | charllotte | charlolen | charlollen | charloote | charlorte | charlot | charlota | charlote | charloth| charllote | charllott | charllotte | charlolen | charlollen | charloter | charlorte | charlot | charlota | charlote | charlott | charlotta | charlotte | charlottee | charlottie | charlottu | charlotty | charloty | charlow

Most of the above one could say are possible enumeration errors and likely you would possibly select different strings.

Regards

[Mark]

Well, I've come up empty so far ... found most of them in the 1861, but I guess that's not any great shakes cos they're easy in that one.

Charlotte H Roome appears in the 1861 in Ingatestone, Essex.
RG 9 / 1078 / ED 4d folio 143 page 12 schedule 72
FreeBMD marriage in Jun 1860 qrtr to William John Roome in Chelmsford district.

Thomas Roger Barfield appears in the 1861 with mother Charlotte H Barfield in Fryerning, Essex.
RG 9 / 1078 / ED 13e folio 169 page 11 schedule 47

Couldn't see a Samuel (A) Barfield in 1861 but a Samuel A Pycroft, born Brighton c.1842 living in Hants did jump out of the "hits".

But in the 1851, I've tried all sorts, even looking for Charlotte's (& variants) being "head" or "lodger".

I had done a double take on Thomas R's p.o.b. as Deane, Lancs, if only because of East Dean in Sussex, but the 1861 says "Lancashire" just about.

Mark