Mormon Immigration Index

[ziksby]

UPDATE MARCH 2007 see last paragraph**

I have a copy of this index on CD. It was of great use to me in my research as it contains information including transcripts of my ancestors letters as well as details of the Atlantic crossing and the trip up the Mississipi from New Orleans.
The CD holds information about LDS immigration to the US between 1840-1890.
Note: Mormon immigration ONLY

If you would like a lookup, just ask.

MORE ......
There is an excellent set of records on the LDS website that lists most of the Pioneer wagon trains and handcart companies that made the journey west from Nauvoo, Illinois to Utah between 1847 and 1868.
http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library/pioneercompanylist-information/0,16281,4117-1-2144%20,00.html
Just enter your ancestor's name in the search box and if you're lucky you'll find him/her and their fellow travellers.

**If you had ancestors in Utah who died there between 1905 and 1955 the chances are their death certificate is online at http://historyresearch.utah.gov/guides/death.htm
I've found dozens of certs. for my Mormon cousins with many links to parents, spouses, informants, addresses etc. Brilliant resource.

[Minnow]

Do you have any info on a Robert Higbee and Caroline Amelia Higbee who emigrated from London to USA - early 1900's?
Also any Bruckins?
Regard
Mary

[ziksby]

Hi Mary
Isaac Higbee sailed 1858 (returning Elder)
John S Higbee sailed 1852 from Newcastle, a minister.
M D Higbee sailed 1888 (returning missionary)

No Bruckins

The Index goes no further than 1890.

There are quite a few Higbee references in the LDS online library catalogue, which might give you a lead.

[Nadine Harmon]

I believe my Shaw family immigrated to Utah from England July 1879. Names are:
Elias Shaw, Rebecca or Rebecka Shaw, children: Maud Shaw, Frederick Shaw and George Shaw. Thank you so much.
Nadine

[ziksby]

Cannot find your family on the disk. There are 106 SHAWs on the CD covering the whole period 1840-1890. I'll send the list as an attachment direct to you. You may find a connection.

[Batty]

I have a John Henry Clarke and his wife Elizabeth (nee Heaver) who I believe emigrated in 1854/55 to America. Their first child was born in St Louis, DS.I. MO and they then moved on to North Ogden, Weber, Utah in 1856. Any info you can find would be appreciated
Batty

[ziksby]

I have found these 2 Clarks. They are listed as "family" on the registers, but the notes say that BMR persons did not always travel on the ship they had booked on for financial or other reasons (they probably went later)
Did your Clarkes come from London? If so this may be them.

CLARK, Elizabeth British Mission Registers
Age: 25 Origin: Strand, London
Note: BMR, p. 88
CLARK, John <1831> Germanicus 1854
Age: 23 Origin: Strand, London Occ: Labourer
Note: BMR, p.88

There are several personal accounts on the CD about other passengers which make interesting reading. If you think there is a connection, let me know and I'll send you the details direct (too long to put here)

[Brenda in Cyprus]

Hi Ziksby
I wonder if you can find John Willis b1828 in Stebbing Essex. He married Mary Ann Bloomfield in England & Anna Lena Jacobson in USA. He settled in Grantsville Utah in the 1870s
Many thanks
Brenda

[ziksby]

Hi Brenda

This could be them .....
WILLIS, Mary Ann <1815> Hudson 1864
Age: 49 Occ: Wife
WILLIS, John <1830> Hudson 1864
Age: 34 Occ: Laborer
Note: BMR, p. 99
WILLIS, George <1853> Hudson 1864
Age: 11 Origin: Cambridgeshire
WILLIS, Joseph <1856> Hudson 1864
Age: 8

Sailing from London as a family in 1864 on the HUDSON with around 860 other Mormon emigrants. More info from other passenger's personal accounts if you want it. They crossed the Atlantic to New York, then up the Hudson river to Albany and then by train to Utah.

[Brenda in Cyprus]

Thanks a million for that-really appreciated

Brenda

[Brenda in Cyprus]

Sorry Ziksby, meant to say I would love the other info if thats ok

[ziksby]

OK Brenda

Will send it direct as its too long to post here.

Now sent ...... :eek: it ran to 45 pages .... happy reading |book|:D

[Brenda from Essex]

Please could you help me to find out if my Gt. Grandmother travelled to Utah.

I have been told that she went with her two sisters around 1863. Her name was Tryphena Esther Keys and her sisters were Esther Tryphosa and Ann Rushen Keys. Their other sister Kezia went in 1866.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Brenda from Essex

[ziksby]

I could only find Kezia and her daughter Sarah ......

KEYS, Keziah <1844>
Age: 25 Origin: England
Note: BMR, p. 99
KEYS, Sarah <1869>
Age: infant Origin: England
Note: "Daughter" (EECI). "Infant" (BMR)

They sailed on the Manhattan from Liverpool ....

Ship: Manhattan
Date of Departure: 22 Sep 1869 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 242 Church Leader: Joseph Lawson
Date of Arrival: 7 Oct 1869 Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Source(s): BMR, Book #1041, pp. 95-104 (FHL #025,692); Customs #1156 (FHL #175,675)
Notes: "DEPARTURE OF THE MANHATTAN. -- The steamship Manhattan, Captain Forsyth, left this port on the 22nd for New York, with 242 souls of the Saints on board, including the following elders returning from missions in this country: -- Joseph Lawson, Robert Dye, and Alonzo E. Hyde. Elder Lawson is in charge of the company. We trust they will have a pleasant and prosperous journey across the ocean and to the mountains."
<MS, 31:39 (Sep. 25, 1869), p.630>
"Wed. 22 [Sep. 1869] . . . The steamship Manhattan sailed from Liverpool, England, with 239 Saints, in charge of Joseph Lawson. The company arrived at New York Oct. 7th, and at Ogden Oct. 16th"
<CC, p.81>

Let me know if you need more info ....

[ziksby]

KEYS, Tryphosa <1847> Caroline 1866
Age: 19 Origin: Essex Occ: Spinster

Ship: Caroline
Date of Departure: 5 May 1866 Port of Departure: London, England
LDS Immigrants: 389 Church Leader: Samuel H. Hill
Date of Arrival: 11 Jun 1866 Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Source(s): BMR, Book #1048, pp.232-48 (FHL #025,692)
Notes: "On the 5th instant, from London, the ship Caroline was cleared by the government officers, having on board 34 Swiss, 17 Hollanders, and 286 English, making a total of 337 American adult passengers, and they sailed with every prospect of a pleasant voyage. The officers, so far as we had opportunity of judging, were gentlemanly, and in a faithful discharge of duty, equal to the best that sail from these ports; and the vessel itself being 8 1/2 feet between decks, and possessing many other conveniences and comforts which the people seemed greatly to appreciate. The provisions, as usual, were selected with care, and a due regard to the health and comfort of the passengers. But what struck us as of far greater importance than these things, was that the people were inspired with the spirit of confidence in their God. One and all looked on the trials and dangers of a sea voyage with unflinching courage, having an assurance that God was their friend, and that his hand would guide them over the trackless deep safe to the promised land of Joseph. . . ."
<MS, 28:20 (May 19, 1866) p.313>
". . .The ship Caroline, which cleared from London on the 5th of May, met with westerly winds which detained her in the channel nearly a week, but after that time she got away nicely. Those winds which were unfavorable to her, brought the vessel -- we were expecting to, and did charter, to sail from this port on the 30th ultimo, -- From New York harbor to this port in eighteen days. . . ."
<MS, 31:22 (June 2, 1866), p.345>
"Sat. 5. [May 1866] . . . The ship Caroli feet between decks, and possessing many other conveniences and comforts which the people seemed greatly to appreciate. The provisions, as usual, were selected with care, and a due regard to the health and comfort of the passengers. But what struck us as of far greater importance than these things, was that the people were inspired with the spirit of confidence in their God. One and all looked on the trials and dangers of a sea voyage with unflinching courage, having an assurance that God was their friend, and that his hand would guide them over the trackless deep safe to the promised land of Joseph. . . ."
<MS, 28:20 (May 19, 1866) p.313>
". . .The ship Caroline, which cleared from London on the 5th of May, met with westerly winds which detained her in the channel nearly a week, but after that time she got away nicely. Those winds which were unfavorable to her, brought the vessel -- we were expecting to, and did charter, to sail from this port on the 30th ultimo, -- From New York harbor to this port in eighteen days. . . ."
<MS, 31:22 (June 2, 1866), p.345>
"Sat. 5. [May 1866] . . . The ship Caroline sailed from London, England, with 389 Saints, under the presidency of Samuel H. Hill. It arrived at New York June 11th, and the company continued the journey by steamboats and railroad to Wyoming."

Will look again for Tryphena

[ziksby]

I see she married Daniel Coppen in 1871 in Danbury,Essex, and died 1913.
Or did she go and return?

[Brenda from Essex]

Hullo Ziksky,

Thank you so much for the information.I just couldn't believe anyone would go all the way to Utah and then return to England as I had read accounts of what dreadful journeys people had but it seems that the Mormons really prepared well and looked after the people. I can now believe that she may have gone and then returned to England as she would have travelled with the Elders.Tryphosa was her twin sister and it is hard to believe she would have left her in Utah.Did you notice if there were any other Keys travelling with Tryphosa. One thing I have noticed but don't know if this is general, that the forenames were often reversed in this family.

As you say she married in Essex. She had seven children one of them being my Grandfather.

Thank you again for your help - I have found it really interesting.

Brenda from Essex

[ziksby]

Hi Brenda

I was intrigued by this "return" from Utah to England. I checked a little further and am still puzzled. Are you sure she went to Utah?
Her sister Tryphosa definitely stayed in Utah and married. She died in 1929. When her mother died, her father also went to Utah and died in 1878.
I'm not sure how much you know, but I've found a few records on the internet.
Do you want me to send what I've found?

[Brenda from Essex]

Hi Ziksby,

Thank you for speedy reply! I researched the Coppen tree several years ago but found this on the ' net ' more recently and it has made me curious to know more.Paragraphs are from various parts of article but indicate Tryphena did go to Utah. Otherwise did they mean Tryphosa and not Tryphena - although they mention Kezia's three sisters and that would include Tryphena.

Kezia was the daughter of Joseph and Mary Ann Rushen Keys and was born 16th April 1844 in Danbury, Essex, England. She was baptized in England by her father into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1856. Kezia's mother died in England with cancer of the tongue, Kezia was seventeen years old at the time and her family of three sisters and her father decided to emigrate to Utah.

Her sister, Tryphena, became desirous of gathering with the Saints of Utah, and Kezia advanced three pounds ($15.00) towards her passage. Two or three years later the money was returned to her and she emigrated to Utah in the year 1866. A rough voyage lasting eleven days was made in the ship `Manhattern' in charge of Brother Warren N. Dusenberry. The first year after her arrival in the valley, she made her home with her sisters who had preceded her to Utah.

Kezia's three sisters left England first, then Kezia, who traveled with Warren N. Dusenbury on the ship Manhattan, her father following later. For the first year Kezia arrived in Utah, she made her home with her sisters

Now you can see why I am confused!

Brenda from Essex

[ziksby]

Hi Brenda

I found the Durrant site you referred to ... most interesting ... that's where I noticed Kezia was living with William's sister-in-law.(Ann)



Did you know? ..... Ann was the first Keys daughter to emigrate (Ann Rushen Keys) following her marraige to William Paxman. She gave birth on board the Horizon....



Thurs. 12: Wet foggy morning. Porpoise seen. Mustard, pepper, salt, vinegar, tea and double ration of potatoes served out. Disturbance and fight in the cookhouse, in consequence of Brother Green pushing past the guards. He kicked Brother Franklin severely. Cold. I was weak today. My daughter, Flora, very much relaxed for the last two days. Sister Ann Paxman, wife of William Paxman, of London Conference, gave birth to a male child, named William Horizon, at 1 a.m. The sisters busy making tents. Learned that there were several cases of measles on board. Had a fellowship meeting in our ward.


More if I find it ...

[ziksby]

William and Ann Paxman

Ship: Horizon
Date of Departure: 25 May 1856 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 856 Church Leader: Edward Martin
Date of Arrival: 30 Jun 1856 Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachussettes
Source(s): BMR, pp. 151-188 (FHL #025,691)
Notes: "DEPARTURES. -- The Ship Horizon, Captain Reed, sailed from Liverpool for Boston, May 25, 1856, with 856 souls of the Saints on board, under the presidency of Elders Edward Martin, Jesse Haven, and George P. Waugh. The following Elders who have held responsible positions in this country, also sailed on this ship -- Elders T. B. Broderick and John Toone from Utah -- the latter retires from his labors on account of ill health -- John Jaques, Robert Holt, Thomas Ord, James Stones, Henry Squires, and Robert Evans were presidents of conferences. . . ."
<MS, 18:24 (June 14, 1856), p.377>

[AndyC]

I've been trying to find some information on Phoebe Clark (sometimes spelled Phebe) who I know emigrated to Utah during the mid 1800's. I read your fantastically generous offer to check the LDS indec CD for anyone with a question and wondered if you'd help me out please?

Phoebe Clark was born in 1830 in Hampshire and married Phineas Howe Young (brother of the famous Brigham Young) in 1853/4 (not sure which year yet) so, I guess she would have sailed any time after 1848 (when she was 18?), up until 1853.

I'd love to find how more about how she made her way to the States and when the trip was taken (I'd love even more to know why (did she go to marry or go and then marry?), but that might remain a dim and distant memory never to be unearthed). I understand that the mormon church did some 'tours' of the UK; maybe Phoebe was recruited by Phineas himself.

If you can help in anyway I would be most grateful.

Thank you very much and kind regards

Andy Clark

[ziksby]

Hi Andy
Phebe Clark is listed as a passenger travelling alone from Portsmouth ......
Ship: Ellen Maria
Date of Departure: 17 Jan 1853 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 332 Church Leader: Moses Clawson
Date of Arrival: 6 Mar 1853 Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Source(s): BMR, Book #1044 (FHL #025,690); Customs #61 (FHL #200,173)
Notes: "DEPARTURES. . . . The Ellen Maria sailed on the 17th of January, having been detained in port several days by contrary winds. We shipped 332 souls on board of her, under the presidency of Elder Moses Clawson. Amongst the number were Elder Thomas Pugh, late counsellor to the president of the Church in Wales; and Elder George Kendal, late president of the Derbyshire Conference. These three brethren have labored faithfully in these lands, and depart from these shores with our blessing upon them; and we pray that they with the whole company of Saints may be safely wafted to their desired haven."

There are lots of accounts from other passengers about the voyage, which I can send to you direct if you want them. Phineas Young is not on board.

[ziksby]

I see Phebe was just one of the eight wives of Phineas Young. They were married in the President's Office in Salt Lake City in November 1853, She was 23 and he was 54. She died in 1901.
I mentioned that she travelled alone to Utah, but checking the passenger list, there were another 6 or 7 persons from Portsmouth, including a 7 year old orphan who died crossing the Atlantic. It was a very rough crossing.
Best regards

[AndyC]

Hi Ziksby

I am so grateful for your help with this, thank you. if I can ever return the favour then please let me know (although I doubt there's much I can help you with on the subject of genealogy).

If you have the time I'd love to read whatever else you have on the voyage. As for why she went well i think you've answered that for me too. She was obviously a member of Church of The LSD and emigrated to follow her religion; I wonder what his many brothers and sisters thought?

Anyway, once again I really appreciate what you've done for me.

Best regards

Andy Clark

[Batty]

Dear Ziksby, thanks for the info and yes John was born in London and they were married in London although Elizabeth originally came from Ireland. I would be interested in reading about the other passengers.
Thanks again
Batty

[ziksby]

Hi Batty

Have sent to you direct as the file of personal accounts of the voyage runs to 20 pages.

Regards

[RobertMuzeen]

I have a copy of this index on CD. It was of great use to me in my research as it contains information including transcripts of my ancestors letters as well as details of the Atlantic crossing and the trip up the Mississipi from New Orleans.
The CD holds information about LDS immigration to the US between 1840-1890.
Note: Mormon immigration ONLY

If you would like a lookup, just ask.

Thanks for the offer of a look up.
Do you have any references to the MUZEEN family?

regards
Robert Muzeen

[ziksby]

Hi Robert
Sorry ... Nothing for MUZEEN .... keep searching
Regards

[idah2oan]

Dear Ziksby:

May I request a lookup for the Aaron Richardson family from Plumley, Cheshire? I believe they (Arron John, wife Sarah and 8-10 of their children) left with an LDS group in 1840.

Thank you in advance.

Dick in Idaho

[ziksby]

Hi Dick
I've located Aaron and also Moses (brother?) and will send the details off list.
Happy New Year and best regards.

[Sandra Parker]

Could you please do a look up for Oliver Hargreaves Buckley? He was born in Norton in the Moors, Staffordshire, England, 18th October 1874. He probably married a Flora Alice Chisler in the US. He is believed to have emigrated from England around 1894, although I have a possible passport application for him in 1892.
Thank you so much for offering your time and effort to help others in their quests.

[ziksby]

Hi Sandra

No luck with your Oliver on the CD index. Mainly because the index only covers the years 1840 - 1890 and is restricted to Mormon Immigrants (though there are a few non-mormons on some passenger lists)
I did a quick check of some other online passenger lists, but no luck ... sorry.
Keep smiling and searching.
Regards

[jamckell]

Hi, If you have an opportunity, could you please look up Robert McKell and traveling companions leaving Liverpool Jan 10, 1850 on board the ship Argo arriving in New Orleans on March 11, 1850. I have found references in 3 separate personal journals but can't find the ship on any ships or passenger lists on the internet.
Thanks in advance,
John McKell

[ziksby]

Here are the McKells .....

MCKELL, Robert <1824> Argo 1850
Age: 26 Origin: Dundee Occ: Smith
Note: BMR, p. 21
MCKELL, Robert Moncur <1839> Argo 1850
Age: 11 Origin: Dundee
Note: BMR, p. 21; Customs List, p. 4

Ship: Argo
Date of Departure: 10 Jan 1850 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 402 Church Leader: Jeter Clinton
Date of Arrival: 11 Mar 1850 Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
Source(s): BMR, Book #1043, pp. 13-30 (FHL #025,690); Customs #70 (FHL #200,163)
Notes: "The Ship Argo sailed from Liverpool for New Orleans on the 10th instant, carrying 402 souls, consisting of the Saints and their families, under the presidency of Elder Jeter Clinton. Several of the songs of Zion were sung as the ship passed out of the dock. Gladness seemed to beam from every countenance. May he who controls the elements guide them in safety to the land of refuge and peace, and establish them upon the mountains of Zion with everlasting joy upon their heads. . . ."
<MS, 12:2 (Jan. 15, 1850), p.25>

There are several personal accounts of the voyage incl. Robert's plus the passenger list ... can send these off list if you require them.

[jamckell]

Thank you so much! This is fascinating stuff. I would greatly appreciate it if you could send the additional personal accounts offline. It appears that this feature is active where you can click on my user name and send an email. I hope this isn't any inconvenience. Thanks again, John

[daisyday60]

Do you have a Mary Collins (neeGoddard) and husband John, emmigrated from Collingbourne in Wiltshire, to Heber City Utah?
Thanks in advance
David.

[ziksby]

David
There are several John Collins and Mary Collins on the CD, but not together. I looked up their marriage date on LDS and this also excludes them as most of the JCs sailed after 1864 when I note he died.

[ziksby]

Hi Kyle
I've found your family - husband, wife and 2 children.
STIMPSON, William <1821> Horizon 1856
Age: 35 Origin: England Occ: Agricultrist
Note: BMR, p.185
STIMPSON, Rebecca <1826> Horizon 1856
Age: 30 Origin: England Occ: Wife
STIMPSON, Frederick <1853> Horizon 1856
Age: 3 Origin: England
STIMPSON, William <1855> Horizon 1856
Age: 1 Origin: England

There were 800+ Saints on the Horizon, so there are many related stories, though none bears the name Stimpson. On a Word.doc it runs to nearly 70 pages, but makes very interesting reading. Diary accounts of the Atlantic crossing, sharks, mutiny, etc. Then the rail journey from Boston to Iowa City. Finally the handcart trek across the plains and the Rockies to SLC. Reply here and I'll send it direct.
Best regards

[ziksby]

Many of those who emigrated from Europe to the States in the 19th Century to join the Latter Day Saints, are not to be found on the various online passenger lists. Try looking on the Pioneer Trail lists published by the LDS Church.
Its the Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel, 1847–1868 site and can be found at
http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library/pioneercompanylist-information/0,16281,4117-1-2144%20,00.html

Note: this only lists Pioneers between 1847 and 1868. After that the railway was completed making the journey to Utah much easier.

[jeeb]

I was very interested in reading the various postings by members concerning immigration of passengers to become LDS.
Hannah Boaz married Mathew Fatch (Thatch) 20 Feb. 1793 at Castle Frome, Herefordshire. They had children there in the following years but then they disappeared without trace. When I visited the parish church a couple of years ago, I found information about the village being visited by LDS and many of the villagers being baptised into the faith in the village pond and leaving for America. I could find no trace of Mathew and Hannah Thatch being baptised into the faith but wondered if this is what became of them. If someone is able to look this up for me or has any other information on the family I would be grateful. Incidently one of the daughters had the unusual Christian name 'Milborough' she was baptised in 1804 at Castle Frome and married Thomas Jones in the neighbouring Parish of Bishop's Frome in 1834.
Jeremy (Jeeb)

[ziksby]

Hi Jeremy

I have searched the Mormon immigration CD and can find no record of Hannah Boaz / Matthew Fatch (Thatch) or 'Milborough' having emigrated. I also checked the wagon train lists and no luck there either.

The only Boaz I can find are William and Catherine Boaz both born 1804 and an Alice T Boaz born 1832 who all emigrated on the Amazon in 1863.

My ancestors came from the same area, or just over the Worcestershire border in Alfrick. I believe they were baptised by William Kay in 1840, who also held baptisim ceremonies at Castle/Bishops Frome.

Regards

[jeeb]

Thanks Kiksby,
Since posting my inquiry yesterday I have found a Matthew Thatch reg death on BMD in Bromyard so I feel that answers my question. I have not located his wife Hannah though and this is the annoying thing as I am not really sure who she is. I think she is probably Hannah Boaz baptised in 1769 at Frankley, Worcs. I had always assumed she was the Hannah Boaz recorded dead in Kinver in 1793. Her brother was in that parish but it may well have been his daughter instead, although I have no record of him having a Hannah. The parish reg. just records Hannah Boaz buried. If anyone finds Hannah Thatch buried in or around Bishops Frome, please let me know her age.
I did know about the other Boaz's going to Salt Lake City. They were from London and not related to me but I have researched them and did not know when they emigrated or on which ship so thanks for that.
Regards Jeremy

[McGrathRG]

I have a copy of this index on CD. It was of great use to me in my research as it contains information including transcripts of my ancestors letters as well as details of the Atlantic crossing and the trip up the Mississipi from New Orleans.
The CD holds information about LDS immigration to the US between 1840-1890.
Note: Mormon immigration ONLY

If you would like a lookup, just ask.

Aelfryn Edwards was born 29 Oct 1905 Monmouthshire Wales. His fathers name was Thomas Edwards his fathers name Absolom Edwards. Absolom emmigrated to the USA (I believe Salt Lake City) as a Mormon. His wife and children were to follow. He arrived sent for them but his wife refused to go and stayed in Wales with the children. I don't know more than that but as a long shot is there anything of Absolom in the records you have.
Regards, Royston McGrath

[ziksby]

Hi Royston
I've searched the Mormon immigration CD and the Wagon Train and Handcart rosters and can find no mention of Absolom (or Absalom as it is often spelt).
Don't give up, as I've just got back from Salt Lake City(hence the delayed reply). I only had a few hours in the LDS History Centre, but came away with a wealth of documentation about my Mormon ancestors. This includes several family histories, copies of many letters sent to England in the 19th century and returned to the States in the 1920s.
Not only that, but I met with several of my lost cousins, two quite by chance, who didn't know that the English line of the family still existed. I also spoke on the phone to a descendant who has a chest containing many more letters that have not seen the light of day for decades.
Keep searching.

[McGrathRG]

Thank you for your answer and the time you spent looking. I amazed at how many requests you have dealt with. You'r a good man.
Regards, Royston

[ziksby]

Following many successsful lookups in the past year or so, I've added some information to my first post on this thread regarding the Pioneer wagon train and handcart companies. This can lead on to finding families on the 1860 US census in Utah. Just yesterday I traced a family from Yorkshire in 1850 to New Orleans, St Louis, wagon train to Salt Lake City and then to California on the 1860 census, adding several children on the way.

[splus]

Hi Ziksby. Can you find a Bernard Cramer on your cd? He was born in 1860 in Rainhill, Lancs. He shows on the 1881 Census but then disappears. I have most of the births, marriages and death records for the family but he has sunk without trace. My last hpe is that he emigrated but I have been unable to find anything to suggest it.

[ziksby]

No Bernard Cramer listed on my CD, but this could be him although the birthdate is 4 years out. It ties in with leaving after the 1881 census.
This is from Ancestry Immigration lists .....

Name:Bernard Cramer
Arrival Date:5 Jun 1883
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1856
Age:27
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:England
Ship Name:Servia (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&h=275&db=passengerships)
Port of Arrival:New York
Line:44
Microfilm Serial:M237
Microfilm Roll:466
List Number:696
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States

[audreyscott]

hello ziksby it's audery scott again. the only thing i could open on my email was british- genealogy.com i had 0 messages. i'm not very smart on the pc i really appreciate all your effort, it frustrates me that i cant read it. can you try again to get through to me? i feel so dumb audrey

[Robbo]

Hi Ziksby
could you please see if this family is on your list

Thomas Partington born abt 1 May 1797 in Ashton died 16 Dec 1872 in Mona Juab Utah USA, married Margaret HOUGHTON 7 12 1828 in Prescott she died in 8 Feb 1888 Mona Juab Utah USA

I would like to know when they went over

many thanks
Robbo

[ziksby]

Hi Robbo,

Here's what I found on the Mormon CD

Ship: Manchester
Date of Departure: 6 May 1862 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 376 Church Leader: John D.T. McAllister
Date of Arrival: 12 Jun 1862 Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Source(s): BMR, Book #1047, pp. 165-182 (FHL #025,691); Customs #549 (FHL #175,176)
Notes: "DEPARTURES. -- On the 6th instant the packet ship Manchester, Captain Trask, sailed with 376 souls of the Saints on board, under the presidency of Elder John D. T. McAllister, with Elders Samuel L. Adams and Mark Barnes as his counselors.

PARTINGTON, Thomas <1805> Manchester 1862
Age: 57 Origin: England Occ: Miner
Note: BMR, p.179.
PARTINGTON, Margaret <1806> Manchester 1862
Age: 56 Origin: England Occ: Wife

I also found them on a wagon train ... details here ...
http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library/pioneercompany/0,15797,4017-1-44,00.html

I can send you more details off list. Just let me know.

Best regards

[Robbo]

A big thank you Ziksby

yes I would like to see what else you found my email is johnrobo@supanet.com

thanks again

Robbo

[ziksby]

Hi Robbo
I've sent you the CD info as an attachment ... all 27 pages of it which includes the passenger list (very useful as I believe there were other relatives on board). The notes and diary details of several passengers recall the day to day events as they crossed the Atlantic to New York. The wagon train lists and diary notes hold many stories of life crossing the Plains, from fighting Indians, to children surviving after falling under the wheels of a wagon. Many of the passengers can be found later on the 1880 US census for Utah (and the earlier ones if you subscribe to Ancestry)

Beware of ommissions and transcription errors. Some of my ancestors who emigrated in 1844 do not appear on the ship's passenger lists or the wagon train listings, even though I know which ship they were on and which Company they crossed the Plains with.

Dear Members
If you think your ancestors may have emigrated as Mormons please let me know, and I'll see if they are listed.

[Robbo]

Hi Ziksby

thanks for email, I did enjoy reading the diary notes, as I was looking at PARTINGTON, Thomas & Margaret they had a daugther Sarah PARTINGTON born in St. Helens, Lancashire England abt 14/40/1832 she married a William Edward KAY born abt 1830 married abt 1851 in St. Helens, Lancashire

they had a daugther Mary Alice born abt 9/11/1855 Payson Utah ?
son Edward born abt 23/2/1858 Nephi Juab Co Utah ?
daugt Emma born abt 1860 Mona Juab Utah


could I ask if you could see if these are on your CD please, I belive that maybe Sarah went out first, then her mum & dad
thaks
Robbo

[ziksby]

Hi again Robbo,
Pleased to hear you enjoyed the notes. I mentioned the transcription errors.
On my CD I find ...
Ship: Elvira Owen
Date of Departure: 15 Feb 1853 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 345 Church Leader: Joseph W. Young
Date of Arrival: 31 Mar 1853 Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana
KAYE, Edward <1828> Elvira Owen 1853
Age: 25 Origin: Parr Stocks Occ: Miner
Note: BMR, p. 119
KAYE, Elizabeth <1828> Elvira Owen 1853
Age: 25

This must be them, as Parr Stocks is near St Helens, the ages are right and they were married in 1851. They are on the US census 1881 with many children including Emma (the 2 older children you mention have left home)

On the wagon trains they are listed as Edward and Sarah .....
Cyrus H. Wheelock Company (1853) Departure: 1-3 June 1853
Arrival in Salt Lake Valley: 6-16 October 1853

Company Information:
About 400 individuals and 52 wagons were in the company when it began its journey from the outfitting post at Keokuk, Iowa. This company included a California company. They crossed the Missouri River on July 11.

[ziksby]

If you wondered what life was like for 19th century pioneer families who emigrated to the States as Mormons, you may be interested in reading the letters I discovered on a recent visit to the LDS history centre in Salt Lake City.
They were written by my GGG grandfather, James Jones and his daughter Hannah between the 1840s and the 1890s. The recipient was my GG grandfather Henry Jones who chose not to go with them. You can read them here ....
www.freewebs.com/littlebury (http://www.freewebs.com/littlebury)

[dance]

Hello ziksby

Elias Crane and my ancestor Elizabeth Smith left England with the Israel Evans Company in 1857. They married en-route on 13th June 1857. I found this on the website you recommend.

Is there any more information about Elizabeth Smith? Most of what I have found is about Elias Crane?

Any further information that you have on your CD would be much appreciated.

[ziksby]

Hello Dance,

Elizabeth Smith and Elias Crane are listed as passengers on the Caravan ..
CRANE, Elias <1830> Caravan 1856
Age: 26 Origin: England Occ: Laborer
SMITH, Elizabeth <1832> Caravan 1856
Age: 24 Origin: England Occ: Spinster

Ship: Caravan
Date of Departure: 18 Feb 1856 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
LDS Immigrants: 457 Church Leader: Daniel Tyler
Date of Arrival: 27 Mar 1856 Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Source(s): BMR (FHL #025,691); Customs #183 (FHL #175,516)
Notes: "THE SHIP CARAVAN. -- On the 14th February we cleared 457 passengers (Saints) on this ship bound for New York, under the presidency of Elders Daniel Tyler, Edward Bunker, Leonard I. Smith, and William Walker. Among the passengers were two families of Scandinavian Saints, who were detained, by sickness, from going on the J. J. Boyd."

I can send you seperately the passenger list and voyage notes/diaries of other passengers, but there are no specific mentions of either Elias or Elizabeth apart from the listing above. There are a number of other Smiths on board, but appear not to be related to Elizabeth.
Reply with your email address or contact me at ziksby@gmail.com

[tipisme]

where did you get that cd from?
I have all the letters in the cropper family book
but would love to get a cd copy
Floyd

[tipisme]

My ancestors are mary and james jones
and come through the cropper side from hannah
where do you get a hold of this mormon cd?
I have the cropper book which has the jones story
but the cd would be nice to add
Thanks
Floyd Tippetts

[kmdward]

this CD is issued by the LDS church, as you are in Utah you could probably obtain it from their main centre in Salt Lake City. Check out their website at www.familysearch.org and look under Order/Download Products.

[karlwhittington]

I am brand new to this forum and just discovered it by accident, so please bear with me if I am posting this incorrectly or in the wrong spot.

My great great great great grandfather James Bowers and his wife Maria and six children came to America in 1856 aboard the ship Horizon with other Mormon immigrants who were in the first Handcart Company (Edmund Ellsworth Co). I am trying to verify their names on the ship passenger list and the dates of sailing, etc. According to the family history written by my great aunt (James' great granddaughter) the ship sailed on April 19, 1856 and landed in Boston eight weeks later in June.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[ziksby]

Hello Karl,

I found your family on the CD, but not quite as your great aunt had recorded.
An Elizabeth Bowers, age 27 (possibly a sister of James) sailed on the Horizon not exactly on the dates you mention, but James and his family sailed on the Enoch Train a month earlier.

I see that James died on the Trail. Do you have all these details? They are on the LDS Pioneer Travel site. including Diary notes from the carpenter who made his coffin.

I'm not sure how much you know about your ancestors in England but it seems not all of James's children emigrated. I checked the 1851 census and found names not on the ship's list. If you give me your email address I'll send you everything I've found direct. There is too much to put here.

[ziksby]

You can now find scans of hundreds of death certificates online at ...

http://historyresearch.utah.gov/guides/death.htm

This is a wonderful resource ... I've found details of most of my Mormon ancestors who died in Utah between 1905 and 1955. The information on each certificate is substantial .. details of spouse, parents, address, funeral, burial, cause of death and all signatures.

[marilynaturner]

Hello Ziksby,

Would you be able to look up a family on your Index CD please? They are John Clark, Mary Clark and their daughter Martha. They left England in the 1840s.

Thanks,
Marilyn

[ziksby]

No requests recently, so perhaps you've located all your Mormon ancestors.
Just a reminder that I have a copy of the Mormon Immigration CD and I'm happy to do lookups. Check my first post on this thread for details.

Another useful site for tracing Mormon ancestors is Utah Digital Newspapers.
http://www.lib.utah.edu/digital/unews/
Over 40 titles covering mainly the 1880s to the 1950s. I'm still finding lots of information about my ancestors.

[sharpie]

Can you look on your CD for any information on Edward Warburton, His wife Sophia and their children Richard and Mary.
I believe they emigrated in about 1848/9

Thank you

Regards
Sharpie

[ziksby]

Hi Sharpie,
Found your Warburtons - no problem.
Edward - 33
Sophia - 43
Richard - 19
Mary Ann - 9 all from Louth.

They sailed on the ZETLAND from Liverpool 29 January 1849. Arrived in New orleans 2 April 1849 along with 350 other Mormon immigrants. Then up the Mississippi on the "Maid of Iowa" where cholera broke out amongst passengers and crew (several deaths before they reached Council Bluffs, Iowa)
On Saturday, May 12, Brother Jonathan White, one of the company from Louth, died of Cholera, and on the 16th of May, Brother Edward Warburton died also of cholera.(from Thomas Atkin's diary)

Sophia and the children then joined the Ezra T Benson Company and travelled west on the wagon trains, reaching Salt Lake City 25 october 1859. She died 1868.

Much more to tell, but not here ... email me at and I'll send you all the diary notes, passenger lists etc (there were several families from Louth who made the trip at the same time.

Regards
Roger

[sharpie]

Hi Ziksby
I have just spent a wonderful 2 hours reading through all the information that you have sent to me.
I even shed a tear in some parts, as I wondered what the brothers and sisters that they left behind, knew of the ordeals that they went through, or did their conversion to Mormonism cause such a rift in the family that all links were severed?

What a determined and brave group of people they must have been.

Thank you so much for all your help.

Thanks and regards
Sharpie

PS. I see that we are almost neighbours as I live in Lichfield

[ziksby]

It would seem from the large number of views to this thread that some members might be interested in the story of my ancestors journey from Worcestershire to America, the tragedies that occured and the correspondence I have uncovered in the LDS archives in Salt lake City.
The story and copies of the letters can be found at www.freewebs.com/littlebury (http://www.freewebs.com/littlebury)

And feel free at any time if you want a lookup on the Mormon Immigration CD.

[jamesbgf]

Dear Ziksby

I should like to take advantage of your offer to look up info on this subject.

I am interested in Robert Crookston and his father and mother James and Mary Crookston who travelled from Scotland some time after the 1841 census when they are found in the parish of Wemyss.

James was born 21 4 1875 and died Mt. Pisgah 28 12 1846.

There is apparently an autobiography for Robert.

If you have any information I wwould be most grateful for a reply.

Best wishes

James

[ziksby]

Hi James
Found your Crookston family on the CD ... They sailed from Liverpool on the Sydney on 17th September 1842, arriving New Orleans on 11 November, then up the Mississippi to St Louis.
James and Mary, both aged 62, sons Robert 22 and James 20, all 3 men were colliers. Below is the start of the voyage notes ... give me your email address and I'll send you the rest of the info, passenger lists and anything else I find.
Regards
Roger Jones
Walsall UK


Autobiography of Robert Crookston
My father had saved quite a sum of money for his old age and I also had quite a little so we decided to emigrate to America where we could be with the body of the Church. My Aunt Sophia, or Suffie we called her, and cousin Maggie were anxious to go with us so we told them we would pay their passage. Uncle William Robinson had not joined the Church. He drank a good deal and he and Aunt Suffie were not living together. He felt very bad and wanted to go with us but had no money. He was a good natured, kind man but father and mother did not like him. His daughter loved him and I felt sorry for him and finally the folks consented and we brought him over. We could not afford to pay his passage so we pulled the feather beds to the front of a bunk and hid the old man under the quilts while the inspector went through. All of us would smuggle food down to him and take him up on deck at night for some fresh air. After he had been in Nauvoo a while he joined the Church but was not robust and died at that place. The folks had to bury him.

[jamesbgf]

Dear Roger

Your information is most helpful, thank you, I have replied by e.mail as requested.

Best wishes

James

[David Annis]

An ancestor of mine emigrated to America.
Ann Beard. She married George Waters in Fladbury,Worcestershire in 1812. For reasons as yet unknown she retained her maiden name untill her death.
Records show that George Waters, aged about 61, died 25th July 1854 and is buried in Bellefontaine Cemetary. St Louis. MO.
Ann Beard died 26th March 1873 aged about 81 and is buried in Provo Cemetary. Utah.
I cannot find any record of when they left these shores or if they joined the Mormon movement either in this country or America or if at all.
Can anyone enlighten me.
Cheers Dave

[ziksby]

Hi Dave,
They were definitely Mormons and must have converted in their home village of Pinvin, Worcestershire in the 1840s. They emigrated with their 2 children on the Kennebec in 1852. Also from Pinvin on the same boat were the Langford and Wise families. I note that on the 1851 census for Pinvin Ann Waters age 10 is a visitor at the Langford house.
They sailed from Liverpool and crossed the Atlantic to New Orleans. Then up the Mississippi to Council Bluffs. Tragedy occured on the way for many of the pilgrims as one of the river boats blew up killing 50 of them.
At a first glance I can't trace Ann on her journey West to Utah; found the Langfords and what happened to them.
More info off the CD and elsewhere if you want it.
Regards
Roger

[David Annis]

Wow. All sorted thats great news. Thank you Robert.
Cheers. Dave

[David Annis]

It looks if I have fallen into the name trap somewhere along the line.
I have Ann Beard being born in 1792 and George in 1793. I cannot see them having a daughter in 1841. George and Ann married in 1812. I wonder if these are their children who emegrated. The bain of my searches so far is the habit of using family christian names over and over again. If they sailed to America in 1852 George would have been abou 59 and Ann about 60. One heck of an age to change your lifestyle. The daughter aged 10 would have been a miracle as well. I'm begining to wonder if the records have got things mixed up a bit. Umhp another mystery unfurles.
Cheers. Dave

[David Annis]

Roger I have Ann as being buried as Ann Beard not as Waters. Any idea's.
Cheers. Dave

[ziksby]

Dave, Any errors are in the transcriptions ... George and Ann Waters(Beard) emigrated with their 2 youngest children George and Jane.
CD details ....
George 1793 shoemaker (same as 1851 census)
Ann 1794
George 1831
Jane 1837
No problem with these dates in relation to child bearing age of Ann Beard.

The Ann I mentioned with the Langfords is perhaps their elder daughter who is age 8 on the 1841 census along with some other children who no doubt stayed in England. She is probably just wrongly transcribed on the 1851, or maybe she was a cousin. I was just making the name connection Waters/Langford.
The Wise were actually Thomas and Harriet Wythes from Wyre Piddle. And the Harriet may be a Waters daughter who's on the 1841 census. LDS show an 1842 Pinvin marriage Harriet Waters/Thomas Wive.

This thread is probably best continued direct. Email me at ziksby (at) gmail.com and I'll send you the CD details. Let me know if you have the 1841 and 1851 census details. Where did you get the burial details for George and Ann from?
Roger

[David Annis]

I have spoken with Jeeb and he confirmed your findings and dates of the Waters in Fladbury and that our George was indeed a shoemaker.
He did wonder if one or more of their children had gone out to America before them and Ann and George went there to join them.
Jeeb has been drilling it into me not to take for granted names and in what order they are related. I seem to have a viril and prolific family tree who stick to a set of christian names and as the branches fan out these names are adhered to constantly. Sorting out who is the husband,wife daughter and son of who is one problem. Then a grandson or grandaughter pops up living in with the family. Its like jigsaw with a picture of a maze on it.
Thank you again for your help
Cheers Dave

[ziksby]

Dave,
I took a more detailed look at the Mormon Immigration CD and there are more of the family listed.
On the same boat, but listed as a seperate family is daughter Mary age 30 with her daughter Jane I age 1.
Jeeb's theory about an earlier immigrant also true; son Rueben b.1828 sailed on the Sailor Prince in 1848. He was with the family in 1841.
In 1856 a John Waters b.1792, shoemaker, sailed on the Thornton.
Let me know if you need sight of these details.
Roger

[David Annis]

I have discovered family history I never knew existed and infact nearly all of it is new to me. The Waters family stands out as a historical gem. I will endever to trace all the members of that part of the family tree untill I have the compleat picture. It started with just George and Ann and has widened out to other members of their family. They made this incredible journey either through religious belief or a need to change their circumstances,what ever the reason, they left a humble rural life and went on to discover a new world.
Roger I would be very happy for any details you may discover.
Cheers Dave

[joette]

There is much misunderstanding around the history of Mormon Emigration & early Church history.
It is a fact that most leaders of the Church today can trace their ancestry back to those early Pioneers.They suffered much hardship & sacrificied much-many were welathy well-educated people not perhaps the usual economic emigrant of the time.
Many may be interested in the "Power & the Glory" which is a fictionalised story of these early days.It is also available on CD & I booed my eyes out as I watched their hardships & pains.

I have recently found that there is a Mormon Pioneer in my tree -quite exciting for a 2nd generation Mormon!

[David Annis]

I have looked for this book or Cd on google. All I can find is a Grahame Green novel about a Mexican priest and a rock cd by Saxon. What is the authors name please.
Cheers. Dave

[joette]

Oh dear I should have said "The Work & the glory" by Gerald N Lund.It is a series of books published by Deseret Books.It is also available on DVD but maybe only on Region One version.
It gives an account of a fictional pioneering family & there is much detail about the early Church history & the lives of the emigrants from Europe.I have always been more of a fan of reading history in a more human form.
It shows how hard they worked physically & the hardships they faced.
It makes you proud of your heritage.

[David Annis]

Oh dear I should have said "The Work & the glory" by Gerald N Lund.It is a series of books published by Deseret Books.It is also available on DVD but maybe only on Region One version.
It gives an account of a fictional pioneering family & there is much detail about the early Church history & the lives of the emigrants from Europe.I have always been more of a fan of reading history in a more human form.
It shows how hard they worked physically & the hardships they faced.
It makes you proud of your heritage.

There's a 3 disc box set from Play.Com region 2.
Have you seen these films yourself.
Cheers Dave

[joette]

Oh yes not Academy Award but a good yarn & very happily watched by men & women in the family.
Great locations & attention to historical detail.

[PatriciaAnne]

Dave,
I took a more detailed look at the Mormon Immigration CD and there are more of the family listed.
On the same boat, but listed as a seperate family is daughter Mary age 30 with her daughter Jane I age 1.
Jeeb's theory about an earlier immigrant also true; son Rueben b.1828 sailed on the Sailor Prince in 1848. He was with the family in 1841.
In 1856 a John Waters b.1792, shoemaker, sailed on the Thornton.
Let me know if you need sight of these details.
Roger

I have just found this fascinating site, and was especially interested as George Waters and Ann Beard are also on my tree. I have read and made notes on what is written here, but if you have any more information on this family I would be very interested. I have just been reading some of the trail logs from the links at the top of this forum, and they are wonderful, so full of detail. I have spent all afternoon and evening working on this family, and just came accross this when I googled Sailor Prince 1848 chasing up Rueben Waters. It's like finding a treasure chest! I had been sent some of the information by David Annis last month,but I didn't know where he was finding it. Thanks again for an interesting hour,
Cheers, Pat.

[ziksby]

Hi Pat,

Probably better if we communicate direct as I could be repeating myself depending on what info you've had from Dave Annis, and what you've already found by reading the Mormon Trail notes.
Email me at .... ziksby(a)gmail.com [(a) = @].
Tell me which names you're interested in with any dates you have and I'll see what I can find.

Roger

[David Annis]

This makes it all very tantalizing.
George dies in St Louis, natural,starving or worse. The Mormons were treat so badly, could George have fallen foul of this.
Ann makes it to Salt Lake City, did she go on the Mormon trail by herself or with the now extended family. If they are all in Salt lake will the other members of the family be buried there as well as Ann.
Just a thought but would there be some sort of lists kept who went on the Mormon trail.
I still find it incredible that a shoemaker and an agricultural workers daughter Journeyed from the heart of Worcesershire, sailed across the Atlantic and crossed America to reach Salt Lake City. What a gutsy family.
Cheers.
Dave

[ziksby]

Dave,
The main site for wagon train listings is ....
Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel, 1847–1868 which can be found at ....
http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/library/pioneercompanysearch/1,15773,3966-1,00.html
These lists are far from complete, some of my ancestors names are missing, but I know from letters which trains they were on.

You can also check Early Latter-Day Saints .....
http://www.earlylds.com/
The Pioneer Research Group based in the Winter Quarters (Omaha, Nebraska) and Kanesville (Council Bluffs, Iowa) are gathering the names of pioneers who lived in the more than 90 settlements of Latter-day Saints who were in the Middle Missouri Valley and across the state of Iowa during the years of 1846 – 1868. Their emphasis began with the gathering of names of members of the Iowa Branches, Winter Quarters Wards and those buried in the Winter Quarters Cemetery but not limited to that specific time period or area.

[David Annis]

Thank you Ziksby.
I cannot spot any Beards or Waters as yet that match my people in these lists. Ann Beard got to Salt Lake somehow and is buried there, so some day something will turn up I'm sure.
Cheers.
Dave

[AllenNixon]

I am looking for information on the Ship Henry which left Liverpool on September 28, 1842 for New Orleans with 157 LDS immigrants. My ancestor John Wootton was one with his wife Ann and sons Attewall and John. Two of the Mormons were arrested for mutiny. I have a copy of a letter written by John Wootton which lists some other passengers.

I'm new to this list so I have some reading to do. I think I need to buy the CD because I have many other early LDS ancestors to lookup.

Allen

[ziksby]

Hi Allen,
The ship is listed on the CD, but of 157 passengers only 10 are named (no Woottons).

There are Woottons on later voyages and are listed as .....
WOOTTEN, William <1809> Manchester 1861
Age: 52 Origin: England Occ: Sawyer
Note: BMR, p. 1
WOOTON, Ann <1822> Sailor Prince 1848
Gender: F Age: 26
Note: Customs List, p. 8
WOOTON, Joseph <1822> Sailor Prince 1848
Gender: M Age: 26 Occ: Laborer
Note: Customs List, p. 6
WOOTEN, Margaret <1828> Minnesota 1868
Age: 40 Origin: England
Note: BMR, p.11
WOOTEN, Jessie <1836> Minnesota 1868
Age: 32 Origin: England
Note: BMR, p.11
WOOTEN, Emma <1838> Wyoming 1874
Age: 36 Origin: London Conference
Note: BMR, p. 347 "Mother" (EECI).
WOOTTEN, Frederick <1846> Manchester 1861
Age: 15 Origin: England
WOOTON, Annorah <1848> Sailor Prince 1848
Gender: F Age: infant
Note: "Infant" (Customs)
WOOTTEN, Charles <1848> Manchester 1861
Age: 13 Origin: England
WOOTTON, Ellen <1850> Colorado 1868
Age: 18 Origin: England
Note: BMR, p.30
WOOTEN, Emma <1852> Wyoming 1874
Age: 22 Origin: London Conference
Note: BMR, p. 348
WOOTEN, Annie <1857> Wyoming 1874
Age: 17 Origin: London
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Emma <1859> Wyoming 1874
Age: 15 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Ellen <1863> Wyoming 1874
Age: 11 Origin: London
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Rose <1864> Wyoming 1874
Age: 10 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Herbert <1865> Wyoming 1874
Age: 9 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Frederick <1867> Wyoming 1874
Age: 7 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, George <1870> Wyoming 1874
Age: 4 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).
WOOTEN, Kate <1871> Wyoming 1874
Age: 3 Origin: London Conference
Note: "Child" (EECI).

Send me a private message with your email address and I'll send you the voyage notes of the Henry and any info about the other Woottons if you need it.

I see from "Early LDS" that John died in Nauvoo 1845, no sign of his wife, but 3 Wootton children, Elizabeth, John and Attewall travelled West to Utah in 1849 with the Ezra Benson Company.

[ziksby]

Whilst I've enjoyed looking up details on my copy of the Mormon Immigration CD, I cannot continue to do so as there may be copyright issues which I should have been aware of. I have not been informed about this, but a similar issue was mentioned on another forum.

Anyone interested in any of my posts on this thread can of course send me a private message. Many thanks to fellow researchers for their kind words. I will of course continue to browse B-G and occassionally post on the Worcestershire forum.

[crook]

Hi Ziksby I am new to this and have just been tld to lok out for you on this with info on the beard s my email is stephen dot crook503 at ntlworld.com It was pat that gave me your name susan