Lines, Cox or Boughrows?

[Mandie]

1] Does anyone have any connections to Charles LINES and/or Mary Ann COX? They've recently been confirmed as the parents of Elizabeth LINES who married James HELSDON 30 Aug 1870 in East Ruston.

Charles LINES (from census info 1861 onwards) was born in either Dilham or Happisburgh circa 1814. He died between 1881 and 1891.

Mary Ann COX (from census info 1861 onwards) was born in Barton Turf circa 1814. Mary Ann was still alive in 1901 and living with her daughter.

2] Another connection I'm seeking is for Charlotte BOUGHROWS/BURROUGHES who married John HELSDON 1837 in East Ruston. I know lots about the HELSDON's, but nothing about Charlotte's origins. She seems to have been born in Tuttontown (according to the census), and may have been living at the workhouse with her children in 1851.

[Geoffers]

No connection, but you may find some information to assist on the Norfolk Transcription Archive.
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
No trace of Charles LINES having been baptised in Dilham. The index to baptisms on the above web-site extends back to 1813. I've checked back a couple of years earlier, without luck.

The 1851 census transcript shows:
HO107/1808 f322 p7
Stalham
Charles LINES, hd, mar, 36, ag.lab, bn Hasbro
Mary Ann Lines, wf, mar, 36, bn Barton Turf
Jerming C Lines, son, 16, ag.lab, bn Barton Turf
Louasia Lines, dau, 13, scholar, bn Barotn Turf
Ann Maria Lines, dau, 11, scholar, bn Palling
Recilla Lines, dau, 9, scholar, bn Stalham
Mary Ann Lines, dau, 5, scholar, bn Stalham
Elizabeth Lines, dau, 2, bn Stalham

Continued.....

[Geoffers]

part 2....

So I think Happisburgh (Hasbro) is probably where you need to look for Charles' baptism.

In 1841:
HO107/775/24 f6 p7
Palling
Martha LINES, 75, bn Nfk
Mary Lines, 25, bn Nfk
German Lines, 6, bn Nfk
Lydia Lines, 3, bn Nfk
Maria Lines, 1, bn Nfk

I'd guess Charles was working as a fisherman and at sea in 1841.

continued....

[Geoffers]

part 3......


Charlotte BOUGHROWS/BURROUGHES who married John HELSDON 1837 in East Ruston. I know lots about the HELSDON's, but nothing about Charlotte's origins. She seems to have been born in Tuttontown
Her birthplace will be Tottington or Tuttington

The 1837 marriage:
Entry 108, page 36. East Ruston register:
John HELSDON, sm, otp, X
Charlotte BOUGHROWS, sw, otp, X
married by banns 1th Jan 1837
wit: Hannah HELSDON, X. John PLUMMER, sig

Like you, I found her in Smallburgh workhouse in 1851.
Do you have full details of the 1870 marriage, or would you like them?

Geoffers

[Mandie]

Thanks Geoffers!

The 1841 and 1851 transcripts are wonderful. Yet more spellings of the unusual name Jermany/German/Jerming and perhaps the possibility that the 75-year-old Martha Lines is Charles' mother. Charles could well have been working as a fisherman, as I know some of the Helsdon's were before settling down into life as labourers. [We're (finally) going to Norfolk next month so we'll shall try and check out the Happisburgh registers when we're there. Of the week holiday we'll probably spend it all in the Record's Office!]

I had forgotten to check the NTA, so I will do that in a moment. :o

Thanks for the 1837 marriage details; Hannah Helsdon was John's younger sister so that gives a little more information to that.

I do have the marriage certificate for the 1870 marriage:

August 30th 1870 Parish Church of East Ruston
James Helsdon, of full age, Bachelor, Fisherman, residing in East Ruston, father John Helsdon who was a Labourer. X
Elizabeth Lines, a minor, Spinster, residing in East Ruston, father Charles Lines who was a Labourer. X
Witnesses: John Staff X and Christiana Lines X

Strictly Elizabeth wasn't a minor as she was born April 8th 1849, which would make her over 21 at the time of the wedding. I wonder if it related to the time the Banns were first called or whether she wasn't sure of her birthdate…

Whatever the case, thanks once more for your help and suggestions.

[Geoffers]

The 1841 and 1851 transcripts are wonderful. Yet more spellings of the unusual name Jermany/German/Jerming
Frequently occurring as a local surname, there is also the variant JERMY, which you shouldn't ignore.


We're (finally) going to Norfolk next month so we'll shall try and check out the Happisburgh registers when we're there.
Excellent, I wish you a good and successful trip


I do have the marriage certificate for the 1870 marriage
August 30th 1870 Parish Church of East Ruston
Strictly Elizabeth wasn't a minor as she was born April 8th 1849, which would make her over 21 at the time of the wedding.
I think that makes her 21, not 'over 21'.

The banns were read at East Ruston, (Entry 83, page 28) on 14th, 21st and 28th August 1870.

Geoffers

[Mandie]

As a follow-up to this:

Charles Lines was born in Happisburgh and baptised on March 19 1815. His parents were John and Martha.

Mary Ann Cox was born 6 May 1814 and baptised 16 May 1814. Her parents were Samuel and Ann, of Barton Turf. Samuel Cocks (note spelling change) and Ann Worts/Watts (writing very poor) were married 25 March 1811

Charlotte Burroughs was born in Tuttington and baptised February 12th 1815. Her parents were John and Catherine. According to her burial record Charlotte was born 1812 and died 22 October 1892 aged 80. She was buried at Holy Trinity, Ingham. The church mentions that upwards of 1100 people may be buried there who don't have a marker - Charlotte included.

[Geoffers]

The church mentions that upwards of 1100 people may be buried there who don't have a marker - Charlotte included.This is by no means unusual, in nearby churches in the area of your interest, the following are the total numbers of burials recorded in the registers:

Honing 1630-1901 - 1,590 burials
East Ruston 1690-1901 - 1,843 burials
Smallburgh 1561-1915 - 2,758 burials
Worstead 1660-1884 - 3,049 burials

At a rough guess, I would think Smallburgh has about 1,200 names mentioned on headstones, Worstead about 2,000; leaving a lot without markers

Geoffers

[Mandie]

This is by no means unusual, in nearby churches in the area of your interest, the following are the total numbers of burials recorded in the registers:

Honing 1630-1901 - 1,590 burials
East Ruston 1690-1901 - 1,843 burials
Smallburgh 1561-1915 - 2,758 burials
Worstead 1660-1884 - 3,049 burials

At a rough guess, I would think Smallburgh has about 1,200 names mentioned on headstones, Worstead about 2,000; leaving a lot without markers

Geoffers

We visited all the above churches (plus another 15!) and tramped around the graveyards of all except Smallburgh. What struck us was that although the churches could often be huge the graveyards were often quite compact. With the numbers of burials you mention it does make you wonder how they fitted them all in... And the sheer number of graves without markers is enormous, which proves how important the burial registers are in tracking down ancestors. It also sheds some light as to why we had so little success with our gravestone hunt - they probably never had markers!

[From the notes I made - Ingham had 600 marked graves of the 1732 people buried between 1700 and 2001.]