Joseph Albiston, Congleton

[DebbieAnn]

Noah's grandfather was Joseph Albiston, born Congleton, Cheshire c. 1749. He married Nancy (or Anne) Forster on 27 Mar 1769 in St. Mary's, Astbury, Cheshire. Nancy (or Anne) Forster was born c. 1751 in Congleton, Cheshire. I have birth (or christening) dates for all 12 children, but not for the parents.

Can anyone please tell me the exact dates of birth for these two?

Debbie

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I do not know if you are aware of the connection between St Mary's Astbury and St Peter's Congleton.Although they had seperate registers they were not officially seperate parishes until 1867.The early registers for Astbury are difficult to read and I was not able to spot either party in the baptisms.The baptismal registers for St Peter's were pefectly readable.I found the following
Jan 5 1752
Ann Daughter of Jonathan FORSTER and Mary his wife

Maybe...just maybe

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For good measure I took a look at the Marriage.

St Mary's Astbury,1769
Banns of Marriage between Joseph ALBISTON & Ann FOSTER were published March 12th,19,& 26th by mes jos PLATT Curate
The said Josph ALBISTon of this Parish,Wiredrawer and Ann FOSTER of this Parish married...byBanns...this 27th March...Both signed.witnesses Francis ARMSTRONG & John YEARSLY(?).

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[DebbieAnn]

Thank you so much! Yes, this was my gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandmother's christening! Joseph should be around the beginning of Nov 1749 at St. Peter's. I also did not know the information on the relationship between the two parishes. Was it only christening dates that were recorded that far back, or was there also some record of the date of birth? I know that seems like a dumb question, but if I don't ask it I'll always wonder...

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Here's one more stumper:

The parents of this Joseph Albiston were Joseph Albiston and Margaret Richardson. I have the BMD info for Joseph, the father, but am missing the names of Margaret's parents. She was christened on 2 May 1714 in Middleton, Westmoreland, England.

Can SKS please look up the record and see if her parents' names are listed?

She and Joseph were married 16 Aug 1732 in St. Mary's Astbury, Cheshire. Would this record list any Richardson as a witness? Perhaps through another Richardson I could locate her parents' names...

Margaret (Richardson) Albiston died 8 Aug 1773 in Congleton and was buried through St. Mary's Astbury. Would there be a record of the date of her burial in the parish records? I know that some burial records are included, and the date should be within a few days of her death... She and Joseph had 8 children that I know of: Joseph ('49), Lydia ('34), John ('36), Samuel ('39), Mary('41), Anne ('47), Margaret ('53), and Sabrea ('56). Did one or more witness her death (although her husband outlived her, so perhaps he was witness)?

For Sabrea, I have a marriage date of 3 Aug 1775 in St. Mary's Astbury, but no groom's name. Could someone please tell me who she married?

I have no marriage or death info on children: Mary, Lydia, Anne, or Margaret. Can anyone fill in this information for any of these four?

Thank you VERY much...

Debbie

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SNIP
Was it only christening dates that were recorded that far back, or was there also some record of the date of birth? I know that seems like a dumb question, but if I don't ask it I'll always wonder...

Debbie
No such thing as a dumb question in my book...unless I am asking it:) .At that time much of the information depended on who was filling in the baptismal registers.Sometimes DOBs are shown, sometimes not.I do not remember seeing any at either of these churches.

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If you take a look at the following link you will see what I have access to for Congleton at MCL.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/registers/prlistg.htm (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/registers/prlistg.htm)

Searching for BMDs without dates could take a long time.

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[DebbieAnn]

I have all the christening dates. Let me reorganize my question:

1. 2 May 1714 in Middleton, Westmoreland, England: Margaret Richardson's birth. I have now discovered the parents as John and Elizabeth (Harrison) Richardson.

2. 16 Aug 1732 in St. Mary's Astbury, Cheshire: Margaret Richardson m: Joseph Albiston. I would like to know the names of the witnesses to the marriage, and if it confirms any of the names of the parents of the bride or groom.

3. 8 children were born of the marriage. I have all the names and dates of the christenings. I had one for which I was only missing the name of the groom but not the date. I have since discovered the name of the groom. So:

a: Sabrea b: 10 Jul 1756 Buglawton, Cheshire m: Robert Buckley 3 Aug 1775 at St. Mary's Astbury. I have no idea if they had children or when she died - mainly because I haven't looked very hard, yet. This is a low priority. Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

b. Samuel Albiston b: 15 Apr 1739 Congleton, Cheshire. He had 2 wives: Mary (maiden name unknown) and Elizabeth Sherratt who he married on 20 Aug 1759 at St. Mary's Astbury. Mary was, I believe, the first wife. If so, he would have married her when he was between 18 and 20-1/2, so between, say, March 1757 and June 1759. What was Mary's maiden name? Who were the witnesses to both marriages?

c. Mary Albiston was christened on 7 May in St. Mary's Astbury. The first problem is that I don't know if the year is 1741 or 1742, but it is one or the other. I have no marriage or death info for her, and haven't looked very much. Which year she was she christened?

d. Lydia Albiston was named for her paternal grandmother. She was b: 21 May 1734 Congleton, Cheshire. That is all I have for her. Again, low priority.

will continue in next post...

[DebbieAnn]

e. John Albiston was b: 21 Sep 1736 in Congleton. He married Hannah Nixon on 4 Oct 1757 at St. Mary's Astbury. I have no date of death for John. They had 2 children: Joseph, b: c. 1759 and John b: c. 1764. Both children were born in Congleton. Would it be possible to locate their dates of birth/christening?

f. Anne Albiston was b: 17 Apr 1747 in Congleton. I have no other info for her.

g. Margaret Albiston was b: 30 Jan 1753 in Congleton. I have discovered that she married Joseph Stanier on 20 Feb 1785 in Astbury. I would like to find confirmation that this was St. Mary's Astbury, Cheshire, and who the witnesses to the marriage were.

h. Joseph, of course, is the one I am descended from, and am ok for his info.

4. Margaret (Richardson) Albiston died 8 Aug 1773 in Congleton and was buried through St. Mary's Astbury. Would there be a record of the date of her burial in the parish records? I know that some burial records are included, and the date should be within a few days of her death...

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

I have located a marriage record between Hannah Albiston (Anne?) and William Smith on 3 Nov 1788 in Astbury, Cheshire. Husband 22 years, wife 20 years.

Can anyone tell me if this is St. Mary's Astbury? Who are the witnesses? Is Hannah's father's (and/or mother's) name given?

This Hannah does not fit neatly into my known Albiston's...

Debbie

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I lost the tread of this message...most of the events you were requesting were not covered by the films here.Most probably the best place to find them will be County Records.

Congleton St Peter Baptism
3 Nov 1749
Joseph son of Joseph ALBISTON,fuller & Margaret his wife.

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[DebbieAnn]

I know I have asked for several lookups, but most of them are at St. Mary's Astbury, which is shown as being at Manchester Library.

Also, I didn't know if a reference to Astbury meant St. Mary's Astbury or Congleton Chapel (Astbury), which is also listed as being at Manchester Library.

Didn't mean to overwhelm you or take too much of your time. Sorry.

Debbie

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I know I have asked for several lookups, but most of them are at St. Mary's Astbury, which is shown as being at Manchester Library.

Also, I didn't know if a reference to Astbury meant St. Mary's Astbury or Congleton Chapel (Astbury), which is also listed as being at Manchester Library.

Didn't mean to overwhelm you or take too much of your time. Sorry.

Debbie
The reference to Astbury refers to St Mary's and to Congleton Chapel as they are the same place.Very confusing I know.Sure the records are here but not for the dates you require:) .
Congleton- Congleton Chapel (Astbury parish)

Marriages-1711-1724- MFPR 822

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SNIP
4. Margaret (Richardson) Albiston died 8 Aug 1773 in Congleton and was buried through St. Mary's Astbury. Would there be a record of the date of her burial in the parish records? I know that some burial records are included, and the date should be within a few days of her death...

Debbie
I could not find any record of her burial at Astbury in the period that you mention.

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[DebbieAnn]

UK,

I had been looking at this:

Astbury- St Mary
Baptisms-1572-1668- MFPR 757
Baptisms-1669-1845- MFPR 821
Baptisms-1669-1703- MFPR 828
Baptisms-1793-1850- MFPR 828
Baptisms-1845-1953- MFPR 822
Burials-1572-1668- MFPR 757
Burials-1669-1855- MFPR 826
Burials-1793-1850- MFPR 828
Burials-1855-1970- MFPR 827
Marriages-1572-1668- MFPR 757
Marriages-1669-1784- MFPR 822
Marriages-1784-1831- MFPR 823
Marriages-1793-1850- MFPR 828
Marriages-1831-1849- MFPR 824
Marriages-1849-1969- MFPR 825

and not the listing for Congleton Chapel. That's why I thought they would be there.

Debbie

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Oh Dear! It looks like a mistake to me in the indexing on the web site.I have already mentioned it to a member of the Local Studies staff.I take a look at the films as listed for Astbury just confirm that they are the same place.Sorry...I was only reading from the Congleton information:o .

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The problem is that I am working from two different indexes.One on the web and the M & LFHS publication which differ.

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2. 16 Aug 1732 in St. Mary's Astbury, Cheshire: Margaret Richardson m: Joseph Albiston. I would like to know the names of the witnesses to the marriage, and if it confirms any of the names of the parents of the bride or groom.
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This record is not easy to read and it is in Latin.I did not have the time to copy it out fully.The marriage was between Joseph ALBINSON (sic) & Margareta RICHARDSON by Banns.One of the witnesses looked like Maria KELSALL

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b. Samuel Albiston b: 15 Apr 1739 Congleton, Cheshire. He had 2 wives: Mary (maiden name unknown) and Elizabeth Sherratt who he married on 20 Aug 1759 at St. Mary's Astbury. Mary was, I believe, the first wife. If so, he would have married her when he was between 18 and 20-1/2, so between, say, March 1757 and June 1759. What was Mary's maiden name? Who were the witnesses to both marriages?
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I found the second marriage okay,but there was no sign of the first one.Witnesses were John HULME(?) & Jno CLARK (CO).Do you want the rest of the details?

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a: Sabrea b: 10 Jul 1756 Buglawton, Cheshire m: Robert Buckley 3 Aug 1775 at St. Mary's Astbury. I have no idea if they had children or when she died - mainly because I haven't looked very hard, yet. This is a low priority. Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

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Witnesses John HALL & John BOOTH.Again do you want the full details?

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[DebbieAnn]

YES!! If you have them. THANK YOU!!

John Booth is a relative, so is John Hulme. Kelsall does not ring any bells... could you print out the parts of the second name that is readable, even if you have to use dashes for missing or unreadable letters?

Debbie

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Astbury
Banns of Marriage between Saml ALBISTON & Eliz SHERRAT were published on the 5,12 & 19th of August by me John HARDING.
The said Saml ALBISTON of this Parish,Soldier & Eliz SHERRAT of this Parish,Spinster were married in this Church by Banns...this 20th August 1759.Saml signed,Eliz marked.Witnesses John HULME(?) & Jno CLARK (CO).

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Astbury

Banns of Marriage.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .......
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............
Robert BUCKLEY of this Parish,Silk Manufacturer & Sabra (sic) ALBISTON .were married in this Church by Licence this 3rd Day of Aug 1775...Robert signed,sabra marked.Witnesses John HALL & John BOOTH.

If the licence still exists it may be worth applying for a copy.

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I have had another look at that marriage entery for Joseph and I now think that Maria Kelsall was the bride in the following entry.There appears to be the name Jo ROWLANDS at the end of the details.

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[DebbieAnn]

Thank you! If I were to try to get a copy of that entry (for Joseph) how would I go about it?

Debbie

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Take a look at the following link

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/ (http://www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/)

If you email them they should be able to help you.

|cheers|

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[DebbieAnn]

Thanks again!

Debbie

[Craig]

Hi DebbieAnn:

St. Mary's Astbury Bishop's Transcripts: Margaret wife of Joseph Albinson (sic should be Albiston!) of Congleton was buried 10 Aug 1773.
Source: FHL Lib. Film #1,655,359.

The monumental inscription on the gravestone reads as follows: "Here Lieth the Body of MARGARET, wife of JOSEPH ALBISTON of Congleton Who Departed this Life August 8th, 1773 Aged 59. Afflictions Fore Long Time I Bore, Physicians was in Vain, Till God Did Please to Give Me Ease, And Free Me From My Pain. Also the above said JOSEPH ALBISTON Who Departed this Life May 6th 1777 Aged 64. Weep Not For Me My Children Dear, Do Not So Much As Shed One Tear, Rather Prepare to Follow Me, Into a Blest Eternity. ANN, wife of JOSEPH, Son of JOSEPH ALBISTON, Died Novr 8th 1808, Aged 57 Years, JOSEPH, son of JOSEPH ALBISTON Died March 11th 1822 Aged 71 Years."

[Craig]

I've got 3 children so far for Sabra and Robert Buckley:

(1) Oliver, chr 6 Feb 1771 at St. Peter's Congleton, died 1 Jul 1833 at Congleton. Buried at St. Peters. Wife: Elizabeth

(2) Robert, chr 19 Oct 1783 at St. Mary's Astbury. Wife: Mary

(3) Henry, chr 10 Aug 1788 at St. Peter's Congleton, died 1 Mar 1830. Buried at St. Peters. Wife Mary

[DebbieAnn]

Craig,

How certain are you of Oliver? Sabra would have been not yet 14 when she got pregnant with him, giving birth when she was 14-1/2, yet didn't marry the father until she was 19? Doesn't sound right to me, especially in those days before birth control... Certainly, her father would have taken matters in hand, or she would have defied him to marry as soon as legally possible if he had objected...

Debbie