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Genevieve
14-09-2005, 02:27 AM
I thought I'd share this recent success story as I learnt quite a lot from it...

My father's maternal grandparents were Herbert BARNES and Caroline HAZELL. Until recently all I knew was that Caroline's parents were Frederick HAZELL and Caroline SHEARER and that Harbert's father was Charles BARNES.

These were the two shortest branches on my tree and had defied my efforts to make any progress at all over several years.

I was aware of a PHEABY family, in particular an Alice PHEABY (she never married) who was known to my father and his sister as an 'aunt' but who we thought was merely a close friend of the family.

Whilst re-reading an old letter from my father's sister in the US I noticed that she'd said she thought Alice PHEABY was a half-sister of Caroline HAZELL. She was a little younger than Caroline so maybe Frederick HAZELL died soon after Caroline was born and her mother then married a Mr Pheaby and went on to have Alice?

Pheaby is an unusual surname so Alice's birth entry was easily located and I quickly decided to order a copy of her birth certificate.

A few days later I was regretting my haste when I found, in a census, a whole tranche of younger HAZELL siblings for Caroline. All were born after Alice and (putting aside extramarital goings on) put paid to the theory that Caroline and Alice were half-sisters. I'd wasted £7 and resolved not to get so carried away in future.

In due course Alice's birth certificate arrived. Sure enough her father was Harry PHEABY and her mother Alice PHEABY - no connection to Caroline.

But...the mother's name was given as Alice PHEABY previously BARNES formerly RODWAY. Alice was actually Herbert's half-sister!

I soon found out that Herbert's father Charles BARNES had died in 1880 and that in Feb 1882 Alice (senior) had married Harry PHEABY. Alice was 31 and Harry only 25 a widower with a son under two years old. In Nov 1882 Alice junior was born.

I don't suppose I will ever know if this marriage was a 'happy ending' for two young people who'd lost their spouses or a convenience for one or both of them.

There is a postscript - I wrote to my aunt to let her know the news and to thank her for the snippet of information that set the whole thing off. She replied enclosing a gift - a cameo brooch she had been given by Alice PHEABY. When Alice gave the brooch to my aunt she said that it had belonged to her mother who had worn it the day that Alice was born. My aunt though that as my 'detective work' had shown that it had belonged to my gt gt grandmother I should have it. That was absolutely lovely and the best thing that has come out of my family research.

Finally, Caroline SHEARER actually turned out to be Caroline SHEARS which explained why I'd been stuck for so long. Once I'd got that right I made rapid progress there too. But that's another story...!

Lizanne
15-10-2005, 03:35 AM
Had a similar situation with research I was doing for a friend..........family story said his grandmother was called Ventura born in France..........after following the long and winding road it turned out to be Ventris born in Bermondsey! All other facts fit, so it must be true ( unlike what you read in newspapers!)

Moral....never believe family folk tales unless you can prove them!

G.V.Ford
15-10-2005, 04:16 AM
Moral....never believe family folk tales unless you can prove them!

But never ignore them, all too often there is a scrambled germ of truth laying there.

G.

Rod Neep
15-10-2005, 07:38 AM
Sometimes incredibly scrambled. :)


My favourite example was research I did for someone, whose great, great grandfather (allegedly) was a shipping line owner and ship builder in Liverpool. His son inherited the business and then (allegedly) drank and gambled the assets away, and ended up broke. (These stories always have a reason why the family is no longer rich).

I tracked them down, and found the great, great grandfather in Liverpool. He was a ship's nail maker.

So yes, there was a scrambled germ of truth in the family legend.

Rod

AnnB
15-10-2005, 10:07 AM
Had a similar situation with research I was doing for a friend..........family story said his grandmother was called Ventura born in France..........after following the long and winding road it turned out to be Ventris born in Bermondsey! All other facts fit, so it must be true ( unlike what you read in newspapers!)


I had been told by an aunt that my paternal grandmother's family came from Ireland. Mentions of potato famine and name changes were also thrown in for good measure :(

I put this side of the family on hold for ages, then decided to try and at least find what part of Ireland they came from.

I found them. Where did they come from? The Isle of Wight, or as some people from Hampshire call it 'the Island' (Ireland - island :rolleyes: ) And the change of name? Haines to Haynes :D

Best wishes
Ann

kmdward
16-10-2005, 03:48 AM
my great aunt is convinced and tells everyone that her grandfather was a black fellow (i know, not politically correct, but she's 89) from America. So very early on in my research I tracked down this very exotic ancestor. Truth he was born in Jamaica of scottish parents and had black hair, the family left Jamaica for Australia when he was 2.
so there is a grain of truth in every story.

Sheleen
03-12-2005, 01:16 AM
Just had to add this....

I'm an 'ampshire 'og meself (from Hampshire...lol)
A friend of mine grew up thinking her granda had come from a place in Widget called Izzle.
I screamed with laughter when she told me.... its what a lot of sotonians call the Isle of Wight... the Izzle of Widget (her spelling... its just a simple phonetic of the name...lol).

Ladkyis
03-12-2005, 03:50 AM
My daughter and I were talking about my dad who died two years ago and she asked if she could have his "Dunkirk Harriers medal" it took me a minute or two to realise what she was talking about and then I had to explain.

She was furious at first and then realised that once again her grandad had given her a good memory to keep. But that's how family myths get started.

Ann
ps he was talking about the 1939-45 star for being in WW2

AnnB
03-12-2005, 08:45 AM
I screamed with laughter when she told me.... its what a lot of sotonians call the Isle of Wight... the Izzle of Widget (her spelling... its just a simple phonetic of the name...lol).
That explains a lot :) I have always referred to the Isle of Wight as the Izzle of Widget, and now realise I must have picked it up from my grandmother, who was born in Southampton :D

Best wishes
Ann

Rocket
08-01-2006, 08:42 PM
Hi there Genevieve, Was highly delighted to see your entry here. We are the descendants of Charles Barnes, son of Charles Barnes. Not sure if any of our info will be of use in your search but do get in touch.