Place names - I love them.

[IreneH]

Beesby in the Marsh??? The area around the village was/is a bog? St Mary and St Peter with Stain, Mablethorp?? I hate to think - Mary and Peter up to no good? :D Someone know the orgins?

Irene

[Chasing Caseys]

Can you imagine living in a place named Bogrotten :p how uninspiring !

[lizziebeth]

Hello Irene, The name Beesby in the Marsh probably comes from old scandinavian and it was known as the village of "Bosi". It was in the domesday book as Besebi, and in 1845 Sir Charles Darwin purchased a 325 acre farm in Beesby as an investment, for around £12,500. It was mostly surrounded by saltmarsh. I like your suggestion about St Mary and St Peter, have found a picture of St Marys church, Mablethorpe, and i believe St Peters fell into the sea in medieval times,(the hand of god maybe? for misdemeanours!!?) Here is another one for you, i was born in Skeldyke!!!!(which is also in lincolnshire).

[IreneH]

They are wonderful names aren't they - interesting how they get mudered overtime. :D

[vicaby]

A guy I used to work with moved to Killamarsh, (NE Derbyshire/South of Sheffield). I remember he phoned some mail order company and when the stuff arrived it was addressed to Killer Marsh.
The only boggy bit we know of is at the southern end of the Rother Valley Country Park (used to be a slag heap before it got redeveloped) might have been pretty toxic in the mining days but now...

[Chasing Caseys]

Allbeg, Fattiehead, Boghead, Lady Sheets ...............more inspiring Banffshire place names !

[BeeE586]

Vicaby, hi.

Rother Valley Country Park was actually an enormous opencast mine, not a slagheap, and several million tons of coal were removed. As the name implies, it was the valley of the River Rother, which did sometimes flood, and much of the land was farmland although not of high quality. The lakes were allowed to fill when mining finished, the ancient Bedgreave Mill kept, and the amenities developed over time.

I'm not sure of the spelling, but the original name of Killamarsh was something like Cinewoldsmaresch - from Old English. The village was mentioned in Domesday as having four manors, there is part of a cross thought to be Saxon in the churchyard, and 13th century stained glass in the very ancient church. Please don't insult the place because of someone's careless mistake.

Eileen

[vicaby]

Sorry Eileen, is this your neck of the woods then? I'm an ex-pat Lancastrian with Northumbrian roots.

I didn't mean it to sound derogatory.

I was told it was formerly the site of the spoil heaps & I didn't know about the open cast (I believe there have been fairly recent proposals to start a new open cast site south of Wales/Kiveton, on the eastern side of the A618 only a mile or two away) They've done a really good job with the landscaping & I just can't imagine what the natural geography would have been like before the mining.

Any idea what the old English name meant? This looks like a typical example of a name that has been altered over time reflecting different pronunciations & spelling.

[vicaby]

Bottom o' th' moor and Side of the moor, Lancs

[peter nicholl]

I like the ones that at first glance don't appear to make any sense:

Nempnet Thrubwell, Gurney Slade ( poor old Anthony Newley) in Somerset and Mucking and Messing in Essex.

Peter

[Chasing Caseys]

And its Ironic that Mucking is where all the muck ends up. Maybe thats how it got its name !

[Geoffers]

"I'm not sure of the spelling, but the original name of Killamarsh was something like Cinewoldsmaresch"


Any idea what the old English name meant?
My first though would be that the first part would be an Old English personal name, Cynewald; hence 'Cynewald's Marsh'.

Geoffers

[GeoffD]

I was deeply upset when I found out that Much Binding in the Marsh didn't exist away from the fertile imaginations of Kenneth Horne et al.

[BeeE586]

Vicaby Yes, I live not too far away and my deepest roots are in the next village but one. Killamarsh, along with many of the villages in North Derbyshire, has changed out of all recognition and they have become little more than dormitories for South Yorkshire. It must have happened in other parts of the country also. Apology accepted.

Geoffers As always you are spot on, this is believed to be the derivation of the name although there have been several other variations in documents through the centuries before arriving at the present name. There are also hamlets in the area with a 'thorpe' ending suggesting a possible Scandinavian presence. It is certainly a place of great antiquity.

Eileen

[John]

I was deeply upset when I found out that Much Binding in the March didn't exist away from the fertile imaginations of Kenneth Horne et al.
But it does Geoff, it hides behind the name of Swanton Morley in Norfolk.

John

[BeeE586]

Probably the place where I would least like to live if judging by name alone is Spital in the Street. No offence meant to the residents but it is an unfortunate name.

Eileen

[arthurk]

Two of my favourite place names are Queen Camel and Marsh Gibbon. No ancestors there, unfortunately, but some rellies did end up in S*itlington (add an 'h'), a few miles SW of Wakefield. Someone may correct me, but I think the locals found this embarrassing and had it changed to Sitlington - though even that seems to have fallen out of favour, as the only place it appears on a 1996 street map is in the names of a couple of primary schools.

Arthur

[mary elms]

One of my favourites is now part of Surbiton - Seething Wells. It just has so many possibilities!

Mary.

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Two of my favourite place names are Queen Camel and Marsh Gibbon. No ancestors there, unfortunately, but some rellies did end up in S*itlington (add an 'h'), a few miles SW of Wakefield. Someone may correct me, but I think the locals found this embarrassing and had it changed to Sitlington - though even that seems to have fallen out of favour, as the only place it appears on a 1996 street map is in the names of a couple of primary schools.

Arthur
Hi Arthur,
The village is called Middlestown now and my Mum, my Grandma and my Gt. Grandad were all born there. :) Out of curiousity, what was the name of your lot who ended up there?

[arthurk]

Hi Arthur,
The village is called Middlestown now and my Mum, my Grandma and my Gt. Grandad were all born there. :) Out of curiousity, what was the name of your lot who ended up there?
Hi Diane
It was William KELLETT (various spellings found), b 1832, with wife Ann and children Ada, Alice, Wilfred and Ernest. I've found them there in 1881. These Kelletts are from the Wyke/Low Moor area south of Bradford - one of the many many families of that name. Some went to Leeds - this lot were there for a time, but others seem to have stayed.

Arthur

[jeeb]

Hi Folks,
The next village to me in Worcestershire is on a small stream known as the Piddle Brook and the village is known as North Piddle, as it continues its way it reaches another village called Wyre Piddle. Perhaps the latter was given to flooding in the medieval times, hence the name! (lol)
Jeremy

[Diane Grant-Salmon]

Hi Diane
It was William KELLETT (various spellings found), b 1832, with wife Ann and children Ada, Alice, Wilfred and Ernest. I've found them there in 1881. These Kelletts are from the Wyke/Low Moor area south of Bradford - one of the many many families of that name. Some went to Leeds - this lot were there for a time, but others seem to have stayed.

Arthur
Thanks Arthur ....... I asked because I have a little book called The Sitlington Story, which mentions the names of a lot of families who lived there, not just the 'nobs', but the 'little people' too. Unfortunately, there's no mention of any KELLETT's. :(

[arthurk]

Thanks Arthur ....... I asked because I have a little book called The Sitlington Story, which mentions the names of a lot of families who lived there, not just the 'nobs', but the 'little people' too. Unfortunately, there's no mention of any KELLETT's. :(Never mind, but thanks for the thought,
Arthur