JEWELL of Gloucester St James

[Gareth Thomas]

As stated in my previous thread my grandmother-in-laws Jewells initially came from S.Cerney.

However, it appears that the family moved to Gloucester and into the St James Parish, as three of the siblings, Ann, Edward and Charles all marry at St James Church in 1852 and 1854.

Edward (my grandmother-in-laws great grandfather and waterman/boatman) and Louisa Ford, had a son in 1859 called William Edward in Ducie Street, Barton St Michael. I checked the parish records for St James and St Luke and was unable to locate a christening for William or infact any christening for any potential siblings to William considering he was born 7 years after his parents marriage in 1852.

Can anyone help, because the trip to Gloucestershire Record Office and turning up nothing has bugged me ever since!!

Regards
Gareth Thomas

[Trish]

...Edward (my grandmother-in-laws great grandfather and waterman/boatman) and Louisa Ford, had a son in 1859 called William Edward in Ducie Street, Barton St Michael. I checked the parish records for St James and St Luke and was unable to locate a christening for William or infact any christening for any potential siblings to William considering he was born 7 years after his parents marriage in 1852...Gareth,

I'm not sure that I can help but -- for what it's worth -- I took a look at the 1861 census and found the following entry which could tie in with your family:



Address: Cary Road, Little Dewchurch, Herfordshire

William POWELL Head 43 Mason born born L. Dewchurch, Herfordshire

Leuisa JEWELL Visitor Married 29 ?Clârtes? Wife born Ballingham, Gloucestershire

Clara JEWELL Daughter 5 ?Clartes? Daughter born Gloucester, Gloucestershire

William JEWELL Son 1 ?Clartes? Son born Gloucester, Gloucestershire

James PROSSER Servant 18 Mason Journeyman born Ballingham, Herfordshire

Henry ANDREWS Servant 16 Labourer born Hentland, Herfordshire

Reference: RG9/1816 Folio 17

I have no idea what a "clartes" is or even if I have the correct spelling, however, if it's anything to do with watermen or boatmen, you may have a match to your family with this entry.

HTH,

Trish

[Trish]

I have just looked at the 1871 census and the plot thickens. I see Clara JEWELL with her father Edward, but Edward's wife is named Julia:

Address:
Canal ?Rough ?Hay
?Ben
The Rose in June
Canal Boat
25 tons

Edward JEWELL Head 40 Canal Boat Steerer born Gloucestershire, Cirencester
Julia JEWELL Wife 24 born Hampshire, Unknown
Clara JEWELL Daughter 16 born Gloucestershire, Gloucester

Reference: RG10/2956 Folio 125

So, what has happened to Louisa and William? I checked and they are not with William POWELL as they were in 1861. Mr. POWELL, now 53, is living with his 44 year old wife and 8 year old daughter, both named Elizabeth.

A bit of a puzzle...

Trish

[Trish]

Gareth, I took a look at your other JEWELL thread in which you mention that Edward's father's name is Alfred. I found the following entry in the 1871 census:

Address: ?Country? Canal, Exhall, Warwickshire

Alfred JEWELL Head Married 64 Master ?Boatsman? born South Cerney, Gloucestershire
Mattena [or Mathena] JEWELL Daughter 16 born Gloucestershire
Walter JEWELL Grandson 8 born Coseley, Staffordshire
Emily BODEN Servant 18 General Servant born Tipton, Staffordshire

Reference: RG10/3173 Folio 148

At the top of the column entitled "Houses", the word "Boats" is written in, meaning, I guess, that all the families listed lived on boats. The first entry on the page is a family named FORD. Perhaps they are related to Louisa FORD JEWELL.

Trish

[Gareth Thomas]

Trish, you are a godsend.. What you have done is help confirm one or two things. I came across the 1861 Census of Louisa, Clara and William myself on the 1837online website, but with no Edward around i wasn't sure exactly if that was the right family, but with you finding Edward, which incidentally is the first time i have seen him on any census, you have given me finally some siblings to William Edward.

It certainly looks like that Louisa could well of passed away if Julia's age is truly 24.

As for Alfreds census record, i can't see why that won't be Alfred i have correct as i know that his son Charles went to Birmingham with his family so there is a good chance that Walter is his.

Thanks for this Trish you have been a star and have made my day, considering my day in Gloucestershire Record office was rubbish to say the least!

Regards
Gareth

[Trish]

You're most welcome, Gareth. I'm really quite happy to have helped out -- and it's always great to get such enthusiastic and heartfelt thanks, believe me.

I did have difficulty reading some of the place names on the census images so if anyone else out there -- Geoffers, uksearch, anyone -- with access could take a look and see if they can decipher the enumerator's handwriting, it may help. Especially the occupation of "Clârtes" -- I don't think I have that quite right.

More to follow...

Trish

[Trish]

It certainly looks like that Louisa could well of passed away if Julia's age is truly 24.
Gareth,

Just so you know, I also wondered about Julia's age and rechecked it on the image. The enumerator definitely wrote "24".

I did quickly look at the Civil Registration Index for Louisa's death but didn't see an obvious match pre-1871. You may want to search the FreeBMD site for Louisa as I believe it is a more up-to-date list.

More to follow...

Trish

[Procat]

I did have difficulty reading some of the place names on the census images so if anyone else out there -- Geoffers, uksearch, anyone -- with access could take a look and see if they can decipher the enumerator's handwriting, it may help. Especially the occupation of "Clârtes" -- I don't think I have that quite right.Trish

Hi Trish and Gareth.

The 1871 at RG10/2956 Folio 125 is indeed:

Canal Rough Hay
Bentley etc.

This site may be of interest:

http://www.canals.btinternet.co.uk/canals/walsallroute.htm

The occupation in 1861 looks to me like Clartes as well but I can not find this in the Dictionary of old trades and occupations. I am wondering if it was Carter and misheard?

[Procat]

Gareth, I took a look at your other JEWELL thread in which you mention that Edward's father's name is Alfred. I found the following entry in the 1871 census:

Address: ?Country? Canal, Exhall, Warwickshire

Reference: RG10/3173 Folio 148Trish

I think this one is Coventry Canal.

[Trish]

As for Alfreds census record, i can't see why that won't be Alfred i have correct as i know that his son Charles went to Birmingham with his family so there is a good chance that Walter is his.Apologies for these numerous messages but I had to break one longish message into several smaller ones to avoid the dreaded duplicating bug...

In looking for your JEWELLs, I noticed a few interesting census entries:

1861: Charles Alfred JEWELL, 3 years old, born in Cardiff. He's living in Bristol with his mother Elizabeth JEWELL and siblings, Jane, Mary Ann and William Edwin in Bristol. Elizabeth is married [as opposed to widowed] but her husband is not there. [RG9/1712 Folio 48]

More to follow...

[Trish]

And finally...

1871: Chas. JEWELL, 14 years old, born in Bristol, living in St. Philip and St. Jacop with his parents, Chas., 40, and Elizth, 38, and siblings, Jane, Mary Ann, Wm. C., Rosina and Lilly M. Chas. Sr. is a Cork Cutter. [RG10/2524 Folio 58]

1871: Charles JEWEL, 30 years old, born in Gloucester. He's with his family in Birmingham: wife Margaret, children George, Emily, Harriet and Alfred and 4 boarders. Charles is a Sawyer. [RG10/3091 Folio 20]

If any of these look promising, I can supply full details.

Trish

[Trish]

Thanks for your help, Doug. Much appreciated.

The occupation of "clârtes" -- or whatever it is -- is a puzzle... made all the more of a head scratcher because the enumerator seems to have deliberately written "â", not just plain old "a". Then again, maybe he just accidentally nicked the paper with his pen!

Trish

[Andrew Mead]

Thanks for your help, Doug. Much appreciated.

The occupation of "clârtes" -- or whatever it is -- is a puzzle... made all the more of a head scratcher because the enumerator seems to have deliberately written "â", not just plain old "a". Then again, maybe he just accidentally nicked the paper with his pen!

Trish

But there's no accent over the 'a'' for the son - I'd put it down to a pen slip. Would also suggest Carter, but we don't have the original schedule to see what that had. For long replies, it may work to write them in notepad, then cut and paste the finished work - saves editing problems here!

Andrew

[Trish]

But there's no accent over the 'a'' for the son - I'd put it down to a pen slip. Would also suggest Carter, but we don't have the original schedule to see what that had. I know, I know, but the mark just looks too contrived, like a deliberate circumflex. But, then again, it could be merely a pen slip. I also wonder about the second last letter -- it's not written exactly like the writer's other "e"s.

For long replies, it may work to write them in notepad, then cut and paste the finished work - saves editing problems here! You're right, it sometimes works to use Notepad or Writepad, but not always. I can still have problems with repeating text. It must be a glitch that embeds itself in the code. Oh well.

Trish

[Gareth Thomas]

And finally...

1871: Charles JEWEL, 30 years old, born in Gloucester. He's with his family in Birmingham: wife Margaret, children George, Emily, Harriet and Alfred and 4 boarders. Charles is a Sawyer. [RG10/3091 Folio 20]

If any of these look promising, I can supply full details.

Trish

This is Edward Jewells brother, only difference is Margaret his wife, i have his wedding certificate in 1854 and he married mary ann horton

as regards to your earlier post of charles alfred jewell, i know that he is definately not related as far as i know, i have his birth certificate already