Arnott

[arwencarys]

Hello everyone - I am a newbie and just stumbled across this great forum.

I am researching my grandfathers family - Arnott. I can go back to circa. 1829 to my ggg grandfather Abraham born in Aspatria, married to Jane Wilson. However, having trouble getting back further as I'm not sure how to further conduct my research. Also, I live in the USA now so most of my stuff is PC based.

Any Arnotts out there? Would love to hear from anyone who may have some info or advice for me.

Thank you!!

Arwen :)

[arwencarys]

OK, I have recently found Abraham Arnotts parents on the Aspatria 1841 census and they are down as ARNETT. It says that David was born in Ireland, I had no idea there was an Irish connection. Now, can anyone help me as to where I go from here. I know that David was born around 1779 and married Ann Hudspith in Haltwhistle, Northumberland in 1808 and sometime between then and their first child in 1812 they moved to Aspatria, Cumberland. Can anyone tell me how I would research Davids Irish roots?

Many thanks.

Arwen :)

[LynnMacfarlane]

My Great Grandmother Susannah (variously spelt) was one of Abraham Arnott's daughters. She married my Great Grandfather Andrew Mcfarlane in Aspatria. Like you, I tracked back to Abraham's father David in the 1841 census and was suprised to see him listed as born in Ireland. I have been trying to get back to my Scottish forebears. I didn't know Ann's surname was Hudspith or that Jane was a Wilson. Thanks! I'd really like to have a copy of the source information you found.

I saw the reply you received about searching in Ireland. Any joy?

I hope you receive this. I have never used this before and am not 100% sure what I'm doing. I tried to email you but it said you have barred that form of communication. I am happy for you to email me if you wish.

Kind regards, Lynn.

PS I moved from England to Australia in 1971.

[Peter3367]

Hi

My g.g.g.grandfather Thomas Wood married Mary Arnett in 1837 in the Aspatria / Plumbland area. I'm unable to match Mary with David Arnot (born in Ireland according to 1841 census). I've got a hunch that Mary is the daughter of David as the Arnot / Arnett / Arnott surname is not 'native' to the West Cumberland area.

Would you be able to confirm if Mary is indeed David's daughter? Also, did you manage to get any further information regarding David's origins in Ireland? Do you know if he was Presbyterian / Church of Ireland? His children were baptised in St Kentigern's Church of England, Aspatria.

Many Thanks
Peter Wood

[arwencarys]

My Great Grandmother Susannah (variously spelt) was one of Abraham Arnott's daughters. She married my Great Grandfather Andrew Mcfarlane in Aspatria. Like you, I tracked back to Abraham's father David in the 1841 census and was suprised to see him listed as born in Ireland. I have been trying to get back to my Scottish forebears. I didn't know Ann's surname was Hudspith or that Jane was a Wilson. Thanks! I'd really like to have a copy of the source information you found.

I saw the reply you received about searching in Ireland. Any joy?

I hope you receive this. I have never used this before and am not 100% sure what I'm doing. I tried to email you but it said you have barred that form of communication. I am happy for you to email me if you wish.

Kind regards, Lynn.

PS I moved from England to Australia in 1971.

Hello Lynn *waves* :)

This is so exciting! Sorry to take so long - just after I posted this my pc died and I lost all my bookmarks, contacts etc etc. I drifted out of my family history until recently. I only just stumbled across this by accident when doing a yahoo search. And so glad I did!

I have your great grandparents Susannah and Andrew Mcfarlane on my tree, but don't have their children so I would love to compare info.

I have had various sources to help me in my search, but a major thank you goes out to our cousin, John Arnott - his grandfather was Jeremiah (my great great grandfather), Jeremiah is Susannah's brother. He has done extensive research and visited Aspatria and looked at local records, the National Archives and has copies of various Births/deaths/ marriage certificates. We haven't spoken in a while though so I am not sure if he has gotten any further with the Irish roots.

I have literally only just got back into this but my tree is on Genes reunited, however not sure if my account is even active. Will have to check that and let you know.

I hope you still check this place!

Regards,
Arwen

[arwencarys]

Hi

My g.g.g.grandfather Thomas Wood married Mary Arnett in 1837 in the Aspatria / Plumbland area. I'm unable to match Mary with David Arnot (born in Ireland according to 1841 census). I've got a hunch that Mary is the daughter of David as the Arnot / Arnett / Arnott surname is not 'native' to the West Cumberland area.

Would you be able to confirm if Mary is indeed David's daughter? Also, did you manage to get any further information regarding David's origins in Ireland? Do you know if he was Presbyterian / Church of Ireland? His children were baptised in St Kentigern's Church of England, Aspatria.

Many Thanks
Peter Wood

David did have a daughter called Mary Arnett/Arnott born around 1810 and married a Tom Wood - this was apparently her second marriage, her first spouse unknown, however they had a son, John. With Tom Wood, I have 3 children, all boys. I may have other info if I dig through my files - like I said to Lynne, its been a long time!

I haven't gotten any further re: the Irish connection, although that was one of my reasons for picking this back up. I have Davids wife as Ann Hudspith. I have information that they married in Ann's hometown of Haltwhistle, Northumberland in 1808 and then at some point, they moved to Aspatria, where all of their children (I have 10 listed so far) were born. Quite a few of their children/grandchildren/great grandchildren etc are also buried in St Kentigern's Church.

Give me a few days, and I'll gather my info :)

Again, apologies for the very late reply!!

[arwencarys]

Hello again Peter - just remembered you recently contacted me at Genesreunited. I hope my tree was of some help although I haven't put in all details yet, for instance Mary Arnotts spouse and children.
Hope you are well :)

[angelcake]

Dear All

Jane Arnott was born 2nd April 1858 she was my GG Grandma and my Aunt can remember her dying in 1937!

Would love to share info!

Please contact me

Angelcake|angel|

[bob graham]

No direct input for you except to say there was a big fire in the dublin records office so records were lost but you coud try the irsh boards here or on something like rooschat.
bob

[CraigArnott]

Hi Arnott researchers and family. My name is Craig and I am researching my great great grandfather George Arnott who arrived in Melbourne, Australia in 1855. In 1858 he maried Eliza Clara Maxted in St Paul's church Melbourne and listed on the marriage certificate that his birthplace was Aspatria Cumberland. George died in 1929 at the age of 95. This means he was born in 1833 or 1834 in Aspatria. I have searched the 1841 Cumberland census and George Arnot is listed in the 1841 census in the household with David Arnot and Ann Arnot. George is listed as 8 years old meaning he was born in 1833. So this appears to me my great great Grandfather. David is listed as 65 years old and Ann as 50 years old. David is listed as having been born in Ireland. The census also lists Abraham (13) and Margaret (14).

I believe this means I may be related to Arwen and Lyn through Abraham who seems to be George's brother or cousin.

I would be very interested in finding out any information you have on Ann and David and do hope that we will be able to piece together more information about their background!

my very best, Craig

[CraigArnott]

Thanks Linda for your message.

I list below what I have found from the census information for Cumberland. As this list is quite long I have a question for you and some of the other contributors to the forum: do you have a source for your information about David Arnot & Ann Hudspith being married in 1808 in Haltwhistle, Northumberland? I would be very interested to lear about any records or research about this.

1841 CENSUS
David Arnot (65) Lodging Keeper, Aspatria
Ann Arnot (50)
Margaret Arnot (14)
Abraham Arnot (13)
George Arnot (8)

There are two other Arnotts listed at a different address (Blennerh..? St) but as being born in the county
David Arnott (20)
Sarah Arnott(20)

1851 CENSUS (30 March)
Abraham Arnott (22) Head of household, William St
Jane (22) Wife
George (1)

There are two other Arnotts listed separately. The man I believe is my GG Grandfather is:

George Arnott (18) (born Aspatria) Farm servant
George is listed as living with the Cape family on a 62 acre farm, Kirkland.

There is also this entry for an Ann living is Aspatria:
Ann Arnott (35) (born Aspatria) Head of household

It is interesting that this Ann appears in this census but not in 1841. I believe she may be the daughter of David and the elder Ann. She is listed as "proprietor" and living with lodgers. Her age would mean she was born about 1815 or 1816.

1861 CENSUS
George does not appear in the census which makes sense if my research is right as my GG Gdad George arrived in Melbourne in 1855. The other Arnotts listed are:

Abraham Arnott (32) Joiner & cartwright, Ellenborough (born Aspatria)
Jane (32) Wife
David (9)
Jeremiah (7)
Alexander (6)
John (4)
Jane (3)

There are two other Arnott families listed headed by a John and Sarah who may also be Abraham's elder siblings or at least cousin

John Arnott (49) (born Aspatria), Joiner & Farmer of 60 acres, Plumbland
Isabella Arnott (47) Wife
David Thomas (26) Son, Joiner & farmer of 60 acres
John (23), Ploughman
Edward (21) Tailor
Joseph (15) Pupil teacher
Samuel (14)
Ralph (12)
Anthony (11)
Nancy (9)
Hamilton Hudspith (7) [Note the name Hudspith for 7 year old Hamilton]
Henry (3)
Joseph Arnott (36) (born Caldbeck) living in household

The other family is
Sarah Arnott (47) (born Wigton) Head of household, Ellen Villa, Plumbland
William (17) (born Torpenhow) son
Sebbra (14) (born Torpenhow) daughter
David (12) (born Aspatria) son

There is only one other Arnott listed
Ann Arnott (19) servant living Golden Sq Green Dragon. She is listed as born Torpenhow and so may be Sarah's daughter also. John's children were born in Plumbland.

I won't go into the same detail for the 1871 census and following. Sarah
(58) is listed but Abraham/Jane and John/Isabella are not.

In the 1891 census Isabella is listed (now 77) as widow living with her sons David Thomas (36), John (33) (both born Plumbland), Mary Doman (sister) and John Henry (3) grandson.

There are obviously many tangents to follow here. My interest is George and in any information about David and Ann Arnot of the 1841 census, their Haltwhistle marriage and background. All help and info appreciated!

All the best, Craig

[arwencarys]

Technology disasters reared their ugly head so I lost all my research, hotmail account details and bookmarks for genealogy .... for the second time!!! - then life took over. Decided recently to pick up the reins again and stumbled across this place and I am so glad I did!

Hello Lynne!! And hello Angel & Craig, yes, we are very much related!! All my details were researched by myself and a cousin (we met on Rootsweb) who has done a fantastic job of travelling to cumbria and pouring over parish records etc. We have also compared the tree with several other of our distant cousins. My family were very good at remembering grandparents/great grandparents and so on which meant I'd known a lot of the names all my life through my grandfather, Thomas Henry Arnott (named after his Uncle - Thomas Henry Arnott WWI MM hero, 5th Border Regiment. His diaries survived and were serialised in a local paper in the 70's sadly we don't know where the originals are but I have a transcript if anyone is interested. He was the son of Jeremiah Arnott whose father was Abraham).

As for the info on David and Ann Hudspith - I was sent the info via a member of Rootsweb and I also had seen marriage certificate (1808, Haltwhistle) on Ancestry.com when I had paid membership but this was lost in my computer nightmare and I also had a tree for Ann and the hudspith line. Hudspith is a huge name Haltwhistle way, medieval land owners.

I do have a box of paperwork on the family but its in storage - now is a good time to get it!! I only have a basic paper-copy tree my direct line is as follows:
Thomas Arnott born 1923 son of
Senhouse Reay Arnott born 1891 son of
Jeremiah Arnott born c.1854 son of
Abraham Arnott born 1829 son of
David Arnett born 1779

The paper info I have stored goes into a lot of detail listing most of the spouses of David and Anns children and grandchilden. I promise I'll dig it all out!! :)

Craig! My great grandfather Senhouse has his mothers maiden name (Reay) as his middle name, much like Hamilton Hudspith - it was very traditional in cumbria for one of the sons to have the mothers maiden name as their middle name :)

Anyway off to hunt down paperwork and I will be in touch soon.

[arwencarys]

Further to your query about the marriage of David and Ann, take a look at this link on rootsweb :)

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=hudspith&id=I3296

[arwencarys]

Angelcake :)

I had a message from you asking about the children I had for Abraham Arnott & Jane Wilson. I have 11 children but in the back of my memory somewhere, I believe there were more but they died very young.

1. George born c.1850
2. David born c.1852
3. Jeremiah born c.1854
4. Alexander born c.1856
5. John born c.1857
6. Jane born c.1858
7. Mary Anne born c.1859
8. Susanna born c.1862
9. Joseph born c.1863
10. Abraham born c.1868
11. Samuel born c. 1870

Hope this helps!

[arwencarys]

I will give what information I can without my paperwork and I hope some of it helps :)




There are two other Arnotts listed at a different address (Blennerh..? St) but as being born in the county
David Arnott (20)


On my tree, David Arnett & Ann Hudspith had a son David Arnott who was born circa 1817 - this could be the David you mention, if you allow for date inaccuracies.




1851 CENSUS (30 March)
Abraham Arnott (22) Head of household, William St
Jane (22) Wife
George (1)


Abraham Arnott & Jane Wilson are my ggg grandparents, they had at least 11 children that I listed in my above post.




There are two other Arnotts listed separately. The man I believe is my GG Grandfather is:

George Arnott (18) (born Aspatria)
There is also this entry for an Ann living is Aspatria:
Ann Arnott (35) (born Aspatria) Head of household

It is interesting that this Ann appears in this census but not in 1841. I believe she may be the daughter of David and the elder Ann. She is listed as "proprietor" and living with lodgers. Her age would mean she was born about 1815 or 1816.


David & Ann did have a daughter called Ann who was born circa 1815.




Abraham Arnott (32) Joiner & cartwright, Ellenborough (born Aspatria)
Jane (32) Wife
David (9)
Jeremiah (7)
Alexander (6)
John (4)
Jane (3)


This, again, is my ggg grandparents and Jeremiah is my gg grandfather. He was a blacksmith and the forge he once owned jointly with a brother-in-law (Reay family) is still standing today.




There are two other Arnott families listed headed by a John and Sarah who may also be Abraham's elder siblings or at least cousin

John Arnott (49) (born Aspatria), Joiner & Farmer of 60 acres, Plumbland
Isabella Arnott (47) Wife
David Thomas (26) Son, Joiner & farmer of 60 acres
John (23), Ploughman
Edward (21) Tailor
Joseph (15) Pupil teacher
Samuel (14)
Ralph (12)
Anthony (11)
Nancy (9)
Hamilton Hudspith (7) [Note the name Hudspith for 7 year old Hamilton]
Henry (3)
Joseph Arnott (36) (born Caldbeck) living in household


This is John Arnott, son of David and Ann, who was born circa. 1812 and his children. Note also his brother Joseph was living with them who was born circa. 1821 - now, I have a mystery here as I have the same birth year for Susanna Arnott of 1821 so were they twins or this a date inaccuracy?



The other family is
Sarah Arnott (47) (born Wigton) Head of household, Ellen Villa, Plumbland
William (17) (born Torpenhow) son
Sebbra (14) (born Torpenhow) daughter
David (12) (born Aspatria) son


I have a query here. If Sarah Arnott was 47 in 1861, that would put her birth at around 1814/1815, which is the same as Ann, I don't have a Sarah in my tree for that time frame ... so, a puzzle to be solved!





There are obviously many tangents to follow here. My interest is George and in any information about David and Ann Arnot of the 1841 census, their Haltwhistle marriage and background. All help and info appreciated!



If you look at that link I posted for rootsweb, it shows details about the marriage, also a transcript of his gravestone. They are buried in St Kentigerns, Aspatria along with a load of other Arnotts, including my direct line. Infact, my aunt still lives nearby so I might ask her to go take some photos for us (I now live in the USA since 2004). I will also dig out what I have on George :)

[angelcake]

Hi all

How are we doing with all the missing links - I had a look at the previous notes and would like to know how we are allprogressing. I have had a major problem with my pc so I am just getting back into things.

Regards

Angelcake

[grisel]

Hello all

I'm not an Arnott - but reading the above (but rather quickly) and looking at the Family search pilot - George's baptism only gives a mother Ann Arnet and no father.
Is it possible that George is the illegitimate son of David and Ann's daughter Ann (b1815 and later married to John Mossop)?

[angelcake]

Dear Grisel

You have come accross the same info and the same presumption - I have checked the 1852 Census and she was head of her house and unmarried. In later Census she has married Mr Mossop - she had George in 1833. She had another child Mary Ann Arnott in 1838. Mary Anne went on to marry Jacob Hohn who was born in Prussia. Ann is buried in St Kentigerns -I located this bit of info below -

"Fom a tombstone in St. Kertigerns churchyard in Aspatria:"In memory of David Arnott of Aspatria who died Feby 5th 1846 aged 67 years.Also of Nancy his wife, who died April 10 1848 aged 61 years.Also Sebra their daughter who died Nov 24th 1837 aged 5 years. Also Joseph their son who died April 1st 1843 aged 24 years.Also Mary their daughter who died July 1st 1845 aged 32 years.Also of David their son who died April 10th 1852 aged 35 years.Also Ann their daughter and wife of John Mossop who died Oct 12th 1887 aged 71years---- John Mossop the above who died Dec 7th 1887 aged 83 years------ of John Arnott, who died Maryport Nov 8th 1906 aged 70 years---------- his wife who died at ------- 1896 (1890?) aged ? years" [Source: Family of Jim Downes and Joanna Hills/ http://awt.ancestry.co.uk]


So you see the tree just gets bigger and bigger

Angelcake

[grisel]

"Fom a tombstone in St. Kertigerns churchyard in Aspatria:"In memory of David Arnott of Aspatria who died Feby 5th 1846 aged 67 years.Also of Nancy his wife, who died April 10 1848 aged 61 years.Also Sebra their daughter who died Nov 24th 1837 aged 5 years. Also Joseph their son who died April 1st 1843 aged 24 years.Also Mary their daughter who died July 1st 1845 aged 32 years.Also of David their son who died April 10th 1852 aged 35 years.Also Ann their daughter and wife of John Mossop who died Oct 12th 1887 aged 71years---- John Mossop the above who died Dec 7th 1887 aged 83 years------ of John Arnott, who died Maryport Nov 8th 1906 aged 70 years---------- his wife who died at ------- 1896 (1890?) aged ? years" [Source: Family of Jim Downes and Joanna Hills/ http://awt.ancestry.co.uk]
Angelcake

That is interesting. I can see Nancy's death in 1848 on freebmd but can't see her on the 1841 census. Are David/Ann and David/Nancy two separate couples? Or are Ann and Nancy the same person?

I can see a birth of Ann 1815 to David/Ann. Is there another Ann, daughter of David/Nancy?

[angelcake]

Dear Grisel

Ann/Nancy is the same person - she interchanged it. This is still in practice today within our own family - people start out with one name and are known as something different. My grandad was born a John but was known as Jack . Great Grandma was born Rebecca Carruthers but adopted the middle name Martin (her grandma's maiden name). A current family member was christened one name but is known by something else. Very common in this area of Cumbria. Ann/Nancy and David had a daughter Ann who married John Mossop.

Regards

Angelcake