Ashforth Family

[shirley haas]

Nuts! Should have used this County for Ashforths.

My realtives, Robert Thomas Ashforth who married Ann Williams (Welsh); son Robert Thomas Ashforth - and other children.

Also, father of Robert Thomas Ashforth and his family.

All were master white metlesmiths in Birmingham - so my Mom says.

Thanks, sh

[Geoffers]

My realtives, Robert Thomas Ashforth who married Ann Williams (Welsh); son Robert Thomas Ashforth - and other children.
Also, father of Robert Thomas Ashforth and his family.
As per my reply to your message on the Lancashire board, could you provide a little more information please? Date(s), sources which you've tried.


All were master white metlesmiths in Birmingham - so my Mom says.
Using verbal information as a guide is useful. But you do need to confirm this with some form of evidence, information passed down verbally through several generations often becomes corrupted. Do you have any certificates/census returns showing their occupations - or if this is pre-1837, do you have some other source of the information, apprencticeship indentures, appointment of freemen, directories, wills, etc? Metalsmith, covers several occuaptions.

Geoffers

[uksearch]

Just a small point...Birmingham was in the old county of Warwickshire:) .

UK

[shirley haas]

Just a small point...Birmingham was in the old county of Warwickshire:) .

UK
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Thanks much, sh

[shirley haas]

As per my reply to your message on the Lancashire board, could you provide a little more information please? Date(s), sources which you've tried.


Using verbal information as a guide is useful. But you do need to confirm this with some form of evidence, information passed down verbally through several generations often becomes corrupted. Do you have any certificates/census returns showing their occupations - or if this is pre-1837, do you have some other source of the information, apprencticeship indentures, appointment of freemen, directories, wills, etc? Metalsmith, covers several occuaptions.

Geoffers

My best source of information so far is my Mother and her sisters and brothers as their father and grandfather are the names I gave.

Otherwise, no; I don't have such data.

However, I can tell you exactly their dates because I know them.

I can obtain burial certificates from Cincinnati for several Ashforths.

sh

[Geoffers]

My best source of information so far is my Mother and her sisters and brothers as their father and grandfather are the names I gave.
Otherwise, no; I don't have such data.
Then you need to obtain the source information before proceeding further.

You will need to begin with trying to locate the birth certificate of your grandfather. If you're not familiar with how the system of civil registration works and how to locate and order a certificate, please ask. A birth certificate (in England and Wales) will include where and when someone was born; the full name(s) of the person born, the name(s) of the parents, including the mother's maiden name, the father's occupation.

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[Geoffers]

If your grandfather was born in the UK prior to 1901, then he may appear in a census return which may show other siblings and give the ages of his parents. From the ages of the parents and children, you should be able to narrow down a period in which to look for their marriage certificate. If you get your gt-grandparents marriage certificate, this will show their names, ages, marital state, address (not always very accurate), fathers' names and occupations and names of witnesses.

From there, you can trace the family back through census returns and other birth and marriage certificates. It's a long process.

As I mentioned, if you're not sure how to look for references in the GRO indices and then how to order certificates, please ask.

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[Geoffers]

I have searched the 1861 census for your Robert Thomas ASHFORTH, I could only find one chap who may be yours:

1861 census
RG9/2121 f55 p40 sch.241
Harrow Place, Vincent Street, King's Norton
Charles ASHFORTH, hd, mar, 40, Metal Polisher, bn Birmingham, Warks
Sarah ASHFORTH, wf, mar, 38, bn Dudley, Staffs
Robert ASHFORTH, son, 20, bn Dudley
Sarah ASHFORTH, dau, 10, scholar, bn Birmingham
William ASHFORTH, 13, Painter's Boy, bn Birmingham
John ASHFORTH, 5, scholar, bn Dudley
Allen A ASHFORTH, 3, scholar, bn Birmingham
Kate ASHFORTH, dau, 3mth bn Birmingham
(search made for Robert ASHFORTH aged 21 +/-3 years)
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[Geoffers]

Coming forward to the 1881 census he appears as:

RG11/3038 f48 p29
139, Gerrard Street, Aston
Robert ASHFORTH, hd, mar, 41, Metal Smith (Journeyman)
Mary Ann ASHFORTH, wf, mar, 38,
MCA ASHFORTH, son, 18, Metal Smith
MJA ASHFORTH, son, 16, Metal Smith
Walter ASHFORTH, son, 14
Annie ASHFORTH, dau, 9
Polly ASHFORTH, dau, 6
Rose ASHFORTH, dau, 4
Robert ASHFORTH, dau, 2
all born in Birmingham
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[Geoffers]

Then searching the 1851 census transcript shows:

HO107/2052 f465 p34
Irving St Back House
Birmimgham
Charles ASHFORTH, hd, mar, 32, Hacker of Britannia Metal Goods, bn Birmingham
Sarah ASHFORTH, wf, mar, 29, bn Dudley
Robert ASHFORTH, son, 10, errand boy, bn Dudley
Emma ASHFORTH, dau, 8, bn Dudley
Sophia ASHFORTH, dau, 6, bn Dudley
Eliza ASHFORTH, dau, 4, bn Dudley
William ASHFORTH, son, 1, bn Handsworth
But all this is dependent on your obtaining corroboration form other sources such as birth and mariage certifiactes/parish registers, etc.

Geoffers

[shirley haas]

Then searching the 1851 census transcript shows:

HO107/2052 f465 p34
Irving St Back House
Birmimgham
Charles ASHFORTH, hd, mar, 32, Hacker of Britannia Metal Goods, bn Birmingham
Sarah ASHFORTH, wf, mar, 29, bn Dudley
Robert ASHFORTH, son, 10, errand boy, bn Dudley
Emma ASHFORTH, dau, 8, bn Dudley
Sophia ASHFORTH, dau, 6, bn Dudley
Eliza ASHFORTH, dau, 4, bn Dudley
William ASHFORTH, son, 1, bn Handsworth
But all this is dependent on your obtaining corroboration form other sources such as birth and mariage certifiactes/parish registers, etc.

Geoffers
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Very sorry - forgot to thank you.

Robert Ashforth, my great, great grandfather, was born in Dudley, Worcester, England. After he married - or even maybe before - he lived in Birmingham, Warwick, England. The 1881 British Census shows him living at 139 Gerrard St.; Aston, Warwick, England.

I'm not sure "Charles" was his father; perhaps his father was "?".

sh