can't find in 1861 census

[evason]

I have been looking for my relative william evason born 1842 in Hanley in the 1861 census but to no avail. As i can't find a birth record for him i'm stumped. I have tried looking for him everywhere i can think off but once again to no avail. As i do not know any of his other relatives names i do not know where else to go to look for him. I have his marriage certificate which states his father was Joseph but he died in 1857. I have found William in records from 1871 including his death and as i said his marriage in 1867 but can not find him before.
Any suggestions most gratefully recieved'
Joannie

[Peter Goodey]

I can see a Joseph William EVESON. birth registered 1842 in Newcastle-under-Lyme. Might be worth seeing if his father was Joseph.People can get their birthplaces wrong and can choose to use a middle name. If his father really was Joseph, it's not unlikely that he was always known as William.

If it was me, I'd have a punt.

Can't help you with the 1861 though.

Perhaps you might have more luck with the 1851. There's a surname index for Stoke on Trent district.

[mary elms]

The IGI (Batch No C010582 ) shows a Josiah EVESON baptised at Hanley 22nd October 1832 son of Joseph & Jane EVESON. Also his sister Sarah EVISON baptised 21st Jan 1831. Might be worth following up to see if it's other members of the same family.

There's also another EVESON / EVISON family on the batch at the same period - children of Samuel & Sarah.

Mary.

[Geoffers]

In addition to suggestions by Peter and Mary; who were the witnesses to teh marriage? Sometimes a sibling or cousin acted as witness and provides a clue.

If he was born 1842, he is likely to be at home in 1851. Have you tried the 1851 census?

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[evason]

HI All.
Sorry to take so long to reply but have been on holiday.
No i have not tried the 1851 census as i do not have access to this can you tell me where i can have a look at this. I do have the marriage certificate and none of the names seen familiar to me or my father. But that does not suprise me as i know more about my dad's family through my research than he does. Thank you all for your help it is much appriciated.
Regards Joannie

[Peter Goodey]

"No i have not tried the 1851 census as i do not have access to this can you tell me where i can have a look at this."

We can't tell you precisely because you haven't told us where you are.

Archives in the county and perhaps elsewhere in the region should have it. The Family Records Centre in London obviously have it. If you know what you want (and you will do), you can order it through the Mormons. If you can't bear to leave the keyboard, you could even buy it on CD!

The Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry publish the surname index but it may be available for reference elsewhere.

[Pamela Hall]

I have found the Evason family in the 1851 census. Would you like a copy of the schedule or will a transcription be okay?

Regards
Pam.

[jeeb]

Hi,
As you will be aware the 1871 census gives William Evason as a lodger with unnamed wife and two children. These 2 children do not seem to appear on the 1881 census. A John Thomas Evason is reg. born in 1870 at Aston and dead age 2 in Dudley in 1872 on BMD. There is no John Thomas Evason on the 1871 index so this is probably the unnamed son aged 1 on the 1871 census.
Cheers, Jeremy.

[jeeb]

To continue the 1871 census saga, William is living in the house of Thomas Glover as his lodger. From what I can find, William married Harriet Glover, so the Thomas is probably her brother!
Cheers, Jeremy

[evason]

I have found the Evason family in the 1851 census. Would you like a copy of the schedule or will a transcription be okay?

Regards
Pam.
Hi Pam
Yes please that would be brilliant if you could do that for me
Regards
Joannie

[evason]

To continue the 1871 census saga, William is living in the house of Thomas Glover as his lodger. From what I can find, William married Harriet Glover, so the Thomas is probably her brother!
Cheers, Jeremy
Hi Jeeb
Thomas Glover was Harriet's father. Or so i think as her fathers name on marriage certificate states father's name as Thomas
Thanks Joannie

[evason]

"No i have not tried the 1851 census as i do not have access to this can you tell me where i can have a look at this."

We can't tell you precisely because you haven't told us where you are.

Archives in the county and perhaps elsewhere in the region should have it. The Family Records Centre in London obviously have it. If you know what you want (and you will do), you can order it through the Mormons. If you can't bear to leave the keyboard, you could even buy it on CD!

The Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry publish the surname index but it may be available for reference elsewhere.

Hi Peter
I live on the wirral so can you tell me if the main library in liverpool would have this information.
Regards Joannie

[Pamela Hall]

Here you are then

Ho107/2002 Folio 169, Page 17 Schedule 76
Mill Street, Wellington, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent

Joseph Evason, head, marr, 40, Potter, Burleydam, Cheshire
Jane Evason, wife, marr, 40, Hanley, Staffs
Josiah Evason, son, unm, 18, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
John Evason, son, unm, 16, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
Joseph Evason, son, 14, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
Mary Evason, dau, 11, Hanley, Staffs
Thomas Evason, son, 9, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
William Evason, son, 6, Hanley, Staffs
Ann Jane Evason, dau, 4, Hanley, Staffs
Mary Wilcox, mother in law,, widow,64, Abbots Bromley, Staffs

I have also found the marriage of Joseph and Jane at St. Peter's Church, Stoke on the 15th November 1830. Jane's name in this is spelt WILCOCK.

Hope this helps your research.

[jeeb]

Hi Jeeb
Thomas Glover was Harriet's father. Or so i think as her fathers name on marriage certificate states father's name as Thomas
Thanks Joannie
Hi Joannie,
(1871 census) I think it unlikely to be William's father in law! Thomas Glover with whom William Evason and family are lodging is unmarried and aged 27. William's unnamed wife is 24. As I said, I think it will be her brother or some relation at least.

[evason]

Hi,
As you will be aware the 1871 census gives William Evason as a lodger with unnamed wife and two children. These 2 children do not seem to appear on the 1881 census. A John Thomas Evason is reg. born in 1870 at Aston and dead age 2 in Dudley in 1872 on BMD. There is no John Thomas Evason on the 1871 index so this is probably the unnamed son aged 1 on the 1871 census.
Cheers, Jeremy.
Hi Jeeb
I never noticed the children who were in the 1871 census i just took it for granted that they were their eldest girls but now i have checked the eldest that i have was born in 1874 who was Elizabeth. thanks for pointing this out. This gives me something else to look into. Also i have just checked and once again i just took it that it was Harriet's father they where living with but as you said it must have been her brother will have to check more closely in future. Thanks for your help.
Regards Joannie

[evason]

Here you are then

Ho107/2002 Folio 169, Page 17 Schedule 76
Mill Street, Wellington, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent

Joseph Evason, head, marr, 40, Potter, Burleydam, Cheshire
Jane Evason, wife, marr, 40, Hanley, Staffs
Josiah Evason, son, unm, 18, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
John Evason, son, unm, 16, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
Joseph Evason, son, 14, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
Mary Evason, dau, 11, Hanley, Staffs
Thomas Evason, son, 9, Potter, Hanley, Staffs
William Evason, son, 6, Hanley, Staffs
Ann Jane Evason, dau, 4, Hanley, Staffs
Mary Wilcox, mother in law,, widow,64, Abbots Bromley, Staffs

I have also found the marriage of Joseph and Jane at St. Peter's Church, Stoke on the 15th November 1830. Jane's name in this is spelt WILCOCK.

Hope this helps your research.

Hi Pam
Thank you for that but i do not know if it is the right William as i have him down as being born anywhere from 1840-1842. So if either of those dates are right then he would not have been 6 in 1851. When he married in 1867 his age is also down as 25 the only thing i can think is that he may have lied about his age. Then that leaves me with the question why? The place where he was born ties in and the father's name is the same so i just do not know where to go from here any ideas.
Once again thank you for your help.
regards Joannie

[Pamela Hall]

Hi Pam
Thank you for that but i do not know if it is the right William as i have him down as being born anywhere from 1840-1842. So if either of those dates are right then he would not have been 6 in 1851. When he married in 1867 his age is also down as 25 the only thing i can think is that he may have lied about his age. Then that leaves me with the question why? The place where he was born ties in and the father's name is the same so i just do not know where to go from here any ideas.
Once again thank you for your help.
regards Joannie
Hi Joannie
Did you say you had checked for him in the GRO indexes? You think his age is a couple of years out. I usually go by the age on the first census they appear on as the parents are likely to have given their ages and they should know when their children were born. Ages given on subsequent census could be out by a year or so depending on who gave the enumerator the facts. Perhaps your William couldn't remember when he was born so gave the age he thought he was.
Also on his marriage cert maybe he wanted to appear older - was his wife older than him?
Hopefully you can trace him through further census returns and be able to see if his age altered in later years.
Hope these thoughts help.
Send me a pm if you want further help - I live in Stoke and go the County Archives every week.

Best regards
Pam
Stoke on Trent

[evason]

Hi Joannie
Did you say you had checked for him in the GRO indexes? You think his age is a couple of years out. I usually go by the age on the first census they appear on as the parents are likely to have given their ages and they should know when their children were born. Ages given on subsequent census could be out by a year or so depending on who gave the enumerator the facts. Perhaps your William couldn't remember when he was born so gave the age he thought he was.
Also on his marriage cert maybe he wanted to appear older - was his wife older than him?
Hopefully you can trace him through further census returns and be able to see if his age altered in later years.
Hope these thoughts help.
Send me a pm if you want further help - I live in Stoke and go the County Archives every week.

Best regards
Pam
Stoke on Trent

Hi Pam
I have not checked the GRo indexes or not that i can remember the earliest i can find William is the 1871 census i can find him in the 1861 census. Harriet was younger tham him. All i Know from his marriage certificate is that his father was called Joseph i can not find a record for his birth certificate so do not know if this info is corect. So it could be the same William as in the 1851 census but i do not understand why i can not fnd him in the 1861 census. All the census i can find him on up unti his death in 1896 state his bith as between 1840 and 1842 so i do not know where to check from here. The census records state that he was born in Hanley that is why is said to you that they tie in with the 1851 census and his father was down on his marriage certificate as being a potter. Any help you could give me would be gratefullu recieved. Could you tell me where the archives are so that maybe i could visit them? I can not even find a death record for his wife Harriet or even a marriage certificate incase she remarried.
Many thanks again Pam
Joannie

[Pamela Hall]

Hi Joannie

Have sent you a PM.

Pam.

[evason]

Hi Joannie

Have sent you a PM.

Pam.
Hi Pam
recieved your message having problems with horbar hope you recieved my reply
joannie