George and Christina Riddell

[michellemcintosh3]

Hi, I am trying to gather information on George Riddell, his wife was Christina Maria (i think Bolton). I have their daughter Mary Armstrong Riddell's birth certificate, she was born 28 Jan 1899 in the Parish of Nigg. George is listed as a Qurray Labourer and I know that they had a daughter Alice we also know that the girls came to Australia, we believe to VIC. On speaking to Mary's daughter over the last few days she thinks that her grandparents may have also come out to Vic. I tried to find this family on the 1901 census but I can't find them, they should be there can anybody else find them?
I am off to see if I can find them in VIC.
Thanks
Michelle

[Coromandel]

There is a tree on MyHeritage which has a couple called George Riddel (1870-1946) and Elizabeth Maria Bolton (1871-1925). They are shown as marrying in 1896 at the Unitarian Christian Church, Dundee. It gives George's occupation as 'fish oil and manure factory labourer' in 1901, and address as 3 Seaview Terrace, Nigg, presumably from the 1901 census. I can't see a place of death for George, but it says his wife died 8 July 1925 in Kew, Melbourne, Australia.

See http://www.
myheritage.com/site-family-tree-30367561/martin-riddell

PS
Their youngest child Randolph Lindsay Riddell is shown as born in Dundee in 1913, so you should find the family in Scotland in the 1911 census too.

[Coromandel]

George Riddell and Elizabeth Bolton Riddell are both buried at Burwood Cemetery according to the database here:

http://
mapping.fcmp.com.au:1001/Pubmapping/index.aspx

[michellemcintosh3]

Thanks Coromandel, I have had a look at the site, it is strange that his wife is listed as Elizabeth Maria and on the birth of Mary it states Christina Maria but it sure looks like the right family. I tried again tonight to find them on the 1911 census but without luck but I now have an address so I will try again.

[Coromandel]

Try looking in Dundee in 1911: there is a 6 year old Alice Riddell there (which fits with her d.o.b. of 1904 as shown on the MyHeritage tree).

[olliecat]

George is listed as a Qurray Labourer and I know that they had a daughter Alice we also know that the girls came to Australia, we believe to VIC. On speaking to Mary's daughter over the last few days she thinks that her grandparents may have also come out to Vic.

The passenger list for the ship BENALLA, departing on 11 May 1921 to Melbourne, Australia, has this...

RIDELL, George, 130 Alexander St, Dundee, Labourer, 50
RIDELL, David, 13
RIDELL, Ewen 11
RIDELL, Elizabeth, wife 48
RIDELL, Elizabeth 19
RIDELL, Alice, 16
RIDELL, Randolph, 7

Is this the family, minus daughter Mary and a couple of the other children?

[michellemcintosh3]

Thank you Coromandel and Olliecat, I can't say for sure that tis is the family as I will need to speak to Mary Armstong Riddell's grand son and he won't be back from overseas untill next week, his mother never knew her grandparents but knew that her mother had a sister Alice who lived in VIC and that Alice looked after her father George. I was told that Mary could have married an Alfred Wilson in VIC (I need to check this) then she lived with (I can't find a marriage) with Loyal Grace Mckenzie and they had at least 4 children in NSW, but she doesn't remember much about him and did not see much of him, he died in 1964 aged 72, Loyal was apparently a merchant seaman who could have been born in NZ but again I can't find a birth for him there. He did marry in 1959 in NSW this man is a very hard to find. If I was to post a message about him which forum would I place it on as I still don't know where he came from.

[olliecat]

Loyal was apparently a merchant seaman who could have been born in NZ but again I can't find a birth for him there. He did marry in 1959 in NSW this man is a very hard to find. If I was to post a message about him which forum would I place it on as I still don't know where he came from.

For starters, you could plonk him in the Australia Genealogy (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/331-Australia-Genealogy) forum; we can always move your thread later if it becomes appropriate to do so. If you mention Mary RIDDELL, then please point out that you already have a thread running on her/her parents.

[michellemcintosh3]

I have been told that Mary Riddell was married on 18 April 1918 to Alfred Wilson, my source was told that this event took place in VIC, well I have had a search done of the VIC marriages and have looked at NSW and surprise surprise we can’t find a marriage for Mary. I am now wondering if she married before arriving in Australia, The story was that she emigrated with her sister Alice. I tried Scotlands people and I can’t find a marriage there for her in 1918, so could I please ask if somebody could take a look at the shipping records for VIC to see if Mary and Alfred arrived together.

[olliecat]

could I please ask if somebody could take a look at the shipping records for VIC to see if Mary and Alfred arrived together.

There is this on a passenger list for the ship MAHANA travelling from Devonport to Melbourne on 26 September 1919...

WILSON Alfred, destination port Melbourne, profession navy
WILSON, Mary A (wife), destination port Melbourne
& 1 Child, male

NOTE: a line has been drawn through Alfred's name, which would indicate that he did not travel on that date.

Perhaps someone can check the other end.

[olliecat]

A question - I was just trawling through the National Archives of Australia and came across this...

WILSON GEORGE RIDDELL : Service Number - VX502424 : Date of birth - 27 Apr 1918 : Place of birth - DUNDEE SCOTLAND : Place of enlistment - ROYAL PARK VIC : Next of Kin - WILSON MARY

(from the Second Australian Imperial Force Personnel Dossiers, 1939-1947)

Any connection - i.e. one of Mary's children - or is it just a coincidence?

[michellemcintosh3]

The last two posts look very interesting- re the shipping info, maybe the child was George Riddle Wilson. It is very hard to get any information from the only living child of Mary as she does not know much herself. I am sure that they were all kept in the dark about their father and mothers past. My friend will have to do some more digging around to see if all or any of this fits.

[grisel]

A question - I was just trawling through the National Archives of Australia and came across this...

WILSON GEORGE RIDDELL : Service Number - VX502424 : Date of birth - 27 Apr 1918 : Place of birth - DUNDEE SCOTLAND : Place of enlistment - ROYAL PARK VIC : Next of Kin - WILSON MARY

(from the Second Australian Imperial Force Personnel Dossiers, 1939-1947)

Any connection - i.e. one of Mary's children - or is it just a coincidence?

Hello Michelle
Scotlandspeople has a birth of a George Riddell Wilson in Dundee, but it is in 1919 not 1918.

There is also a marriage in 1918 in Dundee of Alfred Wilson and Mary Riddell.

[Waitabit]

Hello Michelle
Scotlandspeople has a birth of a George Riddell Wilson in Dundee, but it is in 1919 not 1918.

There is also a marriage in 1918 in Dundee of Alfred Wilson and Mary Riddell.



:thumbsup:
some one was correct! somewhere was not. ;)

[michellemcintosh3]

Thanks to both of you, The brickwall is starting to crumble now which is great. It would appear that the family must have left Scotland straight after George was born as the ship Mahana arrived 26 Sep 1919. Well I am off to look at Scotlands people.

[grisel]

Hello again Michelle

You will probably have found it now but the marriage of George Riddell and Elizabeth Maria Bolton in 1896 mentioned by Coromandel is on Scotlandspeople and can be downloaded for the price of a few credits. With luck this should give George's parents' names. I can't see this marriage on Family Search unfortunately, but someone else may spot it for you.

From the FMP free index the family ( George b1870, Eliza b 1871, George, Mary) seem to be in Nigg in 1901. George snr's place of birth is Aberdeen.

Family search have 3 possible births for George - 2 in Aberdeen St Nicholas in 1870 and 1 in Kemnay in 1871. I hope one of them has parents who match those on George's wedding cert.