Publication dates

[Jan1954]

I have some books that do not have a publication date anywhere on them, so how can I find out if they are still within copyright date?

They are reference books and look as if they were published in the 1930s-1950s. But, without reading them from cover to cover in a search for clues - and we are looking at nearly 2000 pages :yikes: - I do not know where to begin.

Simple question, but I'm blowed if I know the answer! :biggrin:

Therefore, any assistance is deeply appreciated. Thank you.

[malcolm99]

Could you post the details of 2 or 3 titles and then we could scout around for you. Author/editor, title, publisher should be enough.

[Philippa_Harvey]

Jan, I just used Mr Google and typed in the ISBN number, hit search.

It came up with a number of results, and each one I looked at gave the publication date.

Admittedly this book was published in 2010, but it was one I had handy so used it to see what happened.

No harm trying!! :yes:

Good luck.

Philippa

[Jan1954]

Could you post the details of 2 or 3 titles and then we could scout around for you. Author/editor, title, publisher should be enough.
Shipping Wonders of the World edited by Clarence Winchester and published by the Fleetway House, London. This is in 2 volumes.

I have a couple of books (The Golden Wonder Book and the Mammoth Wonder Book) that I think were published in the 1930s. Although there are no dates on these either, they belonged to my Mum when she was a child. Mum was born in 1930.

The Shipping books seem to be in a similar style.

Thanks.

[Jan1954]

Jan, I just used Mr Google and typed in the ISBN number, hit search.There are no ISBN numbers either! (Aaaaargh!!!)

I wonder when they became mandatory.....

[Philippa_Harvey]

You are very controlled, Jan - I'd be saying more than AAAAAAAAARGH!!

I'm off to type in the title (I'll check Abe Books particularly) and see what happens.

Watch this space - but don't hold your breath, blue is not a good complexion colour!!

Philippa

[malcolm99]

There are no ISBN numbers either! (Aaaaargh!!!)



SBN in 1966 - the International SBN came in a few years later!

[malcolm99]

You could also try slapping* the title into the BL catalogue
http://explore.
bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=1&fromLogin=true&dstmp=1338710951556&vid=BLVU1&fromLogin=true

and see what comes up

* slapping - technical term used by librarians

[malcolm99]

Mammoth Wonder Book



The BL catalogue says published about 1935

The Mammoth Wonder Book for Children Edited by J R Crossland and J M Parrish, etc [With plates]
John Redgwick Crossland 1892-
London : Odhams Press, [1935]


Also:
[The Golden Wonder Book for Children Edited by J R Crossland and J M Parrish, etc [With plates]]
John Redgwick Crossland 1892-
pp. 448. Collins' Clear-Type Press: London & Glasgow, [1943.] 1943


And:

Title: Shipping Wonders of the World Edited by Clarence Winchester, etc
Author: Clarence Arthur Charles WINCHESTER
Contributor: Frank Charles BOWEN ;
Alfred Cecil HARDY
Publication Details: 2 vol. pp. 1764.
Identifier: System number 003949295
Creation Date: 1764
Physical Description: Amalgamated Press: London, 1936, 37. 4º.
Shelfmark(s): General Reference Collection 08805.d.11.
UIN: BLL01003949295


It seems the BL catalogue should be a first port of call for you.

[Philippa_Harvey]

'Shipping Wonders of the World', Volumes I and II edited by Clarence Winchester, The Fleetway House, London. This is a massive 1930's partwork with nearly 2000 pages of specialist illustrated material dealing with almost everything everywhere up to the launch of the Queen Mary.

From a site in the UK. I forgot to get the address, but it's Oldluggers (online Academy).

A bit closer?

Philippa

(Back to the search).

[Jan1954]

You could also try slapping* the title into the BL catalogue
http://explore.
bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?dscnt=1&fromLogin=true&dstmp=1338710951556&vid=BLVU1&fromLogin=true

and see what comes up

* slapping - technical term used by librariansLove it! :biggrin:

Thanks, Malcolm - will try that later.

[Jan1954]

'Shipping Wonders of the World', Volumes I and II edited by Clarence Winchester, The Fleetway House, London. This is a massive 1930's partwork with nearly 2000 pages of specialist illustrated material dealing with almost everything everywhere up to the launch of the Queen Mary.

From a site in the UK. I forgot to get the address, but it's Oldluggers (online Academy).

A bit closer?

Philippa

(Back to the search).Excellent! Thank you! So, we are looking at some time in the 1930s - yes?

[Coromandel]

The 'Shipping Wonders' was issued in 55 parts in 1936-7 according to this site:

http://www.
collectingbooksandmagazines.com/magwwe.html

which has a bit about the prolific Clarence Winchester. Collectors could get binders for their own copies but a bound edition would also be released later ('once past the midway point in the run').

PS: if you follow the 'Shipping Wonders' link on the above site you can even watch a slideshow of the covers of all the individual weekly parts! (if you've nothing better to do with your Sunday morning.)

[malcolm99]

I've added to #9

[Jan1954]

Thank you all so very much. I will follow the links that you have provided and see what else I can find out about them.

Much appreciated and of course, I knew that the collective talent of the BG members would not fail me! |bowdown|

[Philippa_Harvey]

One down, one to go. Best I could find has already been posted - 1936-37.

Off to do the next one - see how we go with it.

This is quite fun!!

Philippa

[Coromandel]

Off to do the next one

Malcolm has beaten us to it: see post #9
(though BL catalogue can't be trusted entirely as it has the 'creation date' for Shipping Wonders as 1764! )

[Jan1954]

One down, one to go. Best I could find has already been posted - 1936-37.

Off to do the next one - see how we go with it.

This is quite fun!!

PhilippaMad... totally mad.... :biggrin:

[Philippa_Harvey]

Mad... totally mad.... :biggrin:

Oh I know, but it's true nonetheless. I really do love it!

Nice to try to find something for someone else for a change - everyone seems to have helped me so now it's payback time.

Poor Jan - seems you are the victim here if you get me involved.

Anyway, your problems appear to have been solved so I'll go and eat my dinner. :seeya:

Have fun.

Philippa

[malcolm99]

(though BL catalogue can't be trusted entirely as it has the 'creation date' for Shipping Wonders as 1764! )

A technical expression indicating when the catalogue entry was created I suspect. The publication date is further down. You don't expect librarians to make things that transparent and easy to understand do you? |biggrin|

[Philippa_Harvey]

Malcolm, on one of the sales sites I saw the date of publication for the shipping book as 1000. I decided to ignore it for some reason or other.

Don't know why - could I possibly be becoming a touch cynical? :nonod: :yes: :leaving:

Dinner's getting cold.

Philippa

[malcolm99]

Malcolm, on one of the sales sites I saw the date of publication for the shipping book as 1000. I decided to ignore it for some reason or other.

Don't know why - could I possibly be becoming a touch cynical? :nonod: :yes: :leaving:


Ah but I'd have guessed that that was the very rare vellum edition made from the skin of a calf shot by Æthelred the Unready himself! :wink5:

[Philippa_Harvey]

Silly me. Now why didn't I think of that.

So obvious when someone tells you the answer!!

:rolleyes5:

[Jan1954]

Another one for you:

The Story of an African Farm by Olive Schreiner

London and Glasgow
Collins Clear-Type Press

Again, no ISBN number

[Philippa_Harvey]

The Story of an African Farm (published 1883 under the pseudonym Ralph Iron) was South African author Olive Schreiner's first published novel. It was an immediate success and has become recognised as one of the first feminist novels.

:hurray:

[Philippa_Harvey]

From Wikipedia

[malcolm99]

The Story of an African Farm (published 1883 under the pseudonym Ralph Iron) was South African author Olive Schreiner's first published novel. It was an immediate success and has become recognised as one of the first feminist novels.

:hurray:

...and Jan's edition is probably:

The Story of an African Farm, etc
Olive SCHREINER
pp. 283. Collins: London & Glasgow, 1953

(get counting those pages Jan!).

[Jan1954]

The Story of an African Farm (published 1883 under the pseudonym Ralph Iron) was South African author Olive Schreiner's first published novel. It was an immediate success and has become recognised as one of the first feminist novels.

:hurray:Thank you! If I stumble across any more, I know where to come! :biggrin:

I was wondering who Ralph Iron was as there is a dedication at the front of the book:

To my friend, Mrs John Brown of Burnley, this little firstling of my pen is lovingly inscribed
Ralph Iron, South Kensington, London June 1883

Note: this is not handwritten but is part of the publication.

[Jan1954]

...and Jan's edition is probably:

The Story of an African Farm, etc
Olive SCHREINER
pp. 283. Collins: London & Glasgow, 1953

(get counting those pages Jan!).The pages are numbered and there are 304 :wink5:

[malcolm99]

The pages are numbered and there are 304 :wink5:

Phew :sweatdrop:- I think it may be this one from 1924...

http://www.worldcat.
org/title/story-of-an-african-farm/oclc/15205004

[Jan1954]

Phew :sweatdrop:- I think it may be this one from 1924...

http://www.worldcat.
org/title/story-of-an-african-farm/oclc/15205004Yep! Looks like it! Thank you!!!