Confused- Rankin or Harrison

[geno]

I am a bit confused with this brickwall, so any help would be appreciated.

Jane Rankin married Sivert Mortinius Hostad in 1875 Tynemouth residence at the time of marriage was North Shields. Her age is 21 (born approx 1854) father Hugh Rankin brass moulder.
Sivert Mortinius was in sea merchant service.
Their first child Sivert Thomas was born in 1876 Middlesbrough, on his birth certificate his mothers maiden name is Rankin
In 1881 a second child was born Nils (Nellis) Matthew on this record his mothers maiden name is Harrison, they are living 28 station street middlesbrough.
I can't find the family in the 1881 census.
In 1888 Sivert Mortinius dies.

I've found the family in the 1891 census but she is using the name Mary and living with lodger John Dowse. She says she is born 1858 Middlesborough.
Jane Hostad marries John Dowse in 1891 Middlesbrough her father is John Harrison Able Seaman.
In the 1901 and 1911 census the family has moved to Grimsby.

Note- It appears as if there are two different women but so far I have been unable to find a death of Jane Rankin or a marriage to Jane Harrison.
I don't know why she is using the name Mary, it is the only record I have seen her using this name.
The name Hostad has also been spelt Hosted.
This is a previous thread I did on another site but I've started another one so I can bring all the information together
http://www.
rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,556493.0.html

[Raffaele]

This could be her birth

Births Jun 1853
Rankin Jane Chester Le St 10a 273

On the LDS site she is listed as a servant aged 7 on the 1861 census. Rather strange
Research along these lines might reveal a Harrison connection

[geno]

Even stranger find. After realising I had their street address in 1881 the year of the census and I had a search found them using the surname Murry/Murrey. Jane is alone a mariners wife, so presumably Sivert is at sea. Her place of birth is Middlesbrough and age 25. Son Nils (Nellis) age is given as 3 but I thought he was born in 1881 so thats confusing. They have a visitor, Mary Ellen Barnell 19 from West Hartlepool.

[Raffaele]

so presumably Sivert is at sea

Presumably is a word that can destroy research.

In Victorian times large families were still the norm so it is unusual for gaps of 5 years between children.
The variety of names suggests that perhaps the marriage failed and given that divorce for average folk was way out of reach it was common for couples to live together claiming marriage.

I have seen many examples where census entries make false claims of a marriage yet the registration documents tell the truth.

Do you have Sivert's death certificate. It will have his address and who reported the death on it. It might give some clues.

I had a brick wall like this but I did not dwell on it and as I pushed further back other marriage oddities appeared and the apparent misnaming become clear.

[Raffaele]

Not sure if you have these but the LDS has the following

Sivert Hostad, New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924,immigration: 25 Feb 1910 - Recorded as 28 years old so Sivert Jnr. Unmarried.

Sivert Hostad, England and Wales Census, 1891, birth: Middlesbrough

Sivert Mortinus Hostad
Norway, Baptisms, birth: 08 May 1831
christening: 26 Jun 1831 DOMKIRKEN,​ TRONDHEIM,​ SOR TRONDELAG,​ NORWAY
residence: 1831 Trondheim,​ Sor-​Trondelag,​ Norway
parents: Niels Hostad,​ Gjertrud Hostad

[geno]

I see what you mean. I don't have his death certificate but I think I wrote down somewere he died in a workhouse, I'll have to look more into that, it might indicate a separation. But I will point out that Nils is Siverts fathers name and the last child was born in 1887 a year before Sivert died but they stopped using Norwegian names by 1883.

[geno]

Sivert Hostad, New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924,immigration: 25 Feb 1910 - Recorded as 28 years old so Sivert Jnr. Unmarried.
- This is interesting but I don't think it is him. Sivert Thomas married Sarah Roper in 1897 Middlesbrough. He often went under the name Thomas. I have records of him a mate on a number of trawlers in 1911 and he died in 1947 Grimsby.

[Raffaele]

Registering a child with the Father's name being the husband of the woman even if he is not, was not uncommon and did stop the child being registered as illegitimate. I have seen examples of a birth registration where the father died years before the birth.

Keep digging

[Raffaele]

Sivert Hostad, New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924,immigration: 25 Feb 1910 - Recorded as 28 years old so Sivert Jnr. Unmarried.
- This is interesting but I don't think it is him. Sivert Thomas married Sarah Roper in 1897 Middlesbrough. He often went under the name Thomas. I have records of him a mate on a number of trawlers in 1911 and he died in 1947 Grimsby.

It is just an immigration record which I stumbled on. He could have arrived from anywhere. Sivert Hostad seems an unusual name so he may be a distant relative who left Scandinavia for the US.

[geno]

Yes, Sivert Thomas had an Uncle called Sivert and the surname Hostad comes from a farm name in about 1765. So its possible.

[geno]

On the LDS site she is listed as a servant aged 7 on the 1861 census. Rather strange
Research along these lines might reveal a Harrison connection

Has anyone had any luck persuing this. I can only find it on the LDS site.

[Coromandel]

Has anyone had any luck persuing this. I can only find it on the LDS site.

This Jane's surname is transcribed as RANKLIN on FMP though original says RANKIN.
RG 9/3760, f.8, p.11

P.S. She is shown as daughter of the head of the household (John Rankin), and born Nettlesworth, Durham.

[geno]

There is also another Jane on familysearch, her surname is spelt Ranken a servant in Lanchester, Durham.

[Coromandel]

There is also another Jane on familysearch, her surname is spelt Ranken a servant in Lanchester, Durham.

FMP has a Jane RANKEN at RG 9/3734 f.65 p.21
but her surname looks more like PARKER to me.

[geno]

Yes your right, found her on ancestry transcibed as Parker.

[geno]

Looking for possible John Harrisons, there is a John in Middlesbrough who was having children wife a Martha from around 1845 untill about 1857. I've found Martha and family in the 1851 census he is absent and she is listed as a Ship captains wife and again in the 1861 census he is absent and she is a Mariners wife. But no sign of a Jane.

[geno]

Also another John Harrison whos from East Harlsey living in Middlesbrough, in 1861 he is working as a Keelman. However,searching for Hugh Rankins in Middlesbrough is far producing nothing.

[geno]

Potential lead which somehow I overlooked. In the 1911 a Selina/Lelina Atkinson is living with Jane and her husband John Dowse in Grimsby. She is listed as neice 40 years old single and from Middlesbrough. Not sure if she is Jane or Johns neice but because she was born in Middlesbrough it looks promising, will have to look more indepth into this in the morning when I'm more awake.

[geno]

So far I have Selina in the 1881 census born 1873 Middlesbrough daughter of J and Mary A Atkinson. J is born 1843 Thirsk and is a steam boat stoker. Mary A is born 1852 Middlesbrough.
In the 1891 census she is known as Lena, Mary Ann is widowed born 1844 Middlesbrough. Again in the 1911 census Mary Ann is lodging with her son Arthur with the Hayes family, this time her birth is 1846. Currently looking to see if there is a relationship with Jane Rankin/Harrison/Hostad/Dowse!!
Maybe finding the marriage of J Atkinson to Mary Ann may help because then I can determine her maiden name.

[grisel]

Selina's birth certificate should give Mary Ann's maiden name. There is a Selina Grace Atkinson b 1872 in Stockton reg dist which covers Middlesbrough which is a possibility.

Tees valley indexes show that a Joseph Atkinson married a Mary A Sowerby in Middlesbrough in 1868 which would be worth considering.

[geno]

That’s interesting, there is a Joseph Atkinson born 1845 Thirsk. In the 1901 census he is boarding in West Hartlepool he is married but without his wife. Whereas by 1891 Mary Ann says she is widowed.

I think I’ve found Mary Ann in 1901 she is living with her sister Isabella Lumley a widow who was born in 1833 Middlesbrough, also living with them is a Selina Lewis who was born 1870 Middlesbrough.

Marriage between Selina Atkinson and Joseph Lewis in 1896 but by the 1911 census she is single using maiden name. So she might be separated or I have the wrong Selina Atkinson
In the 1911 census Isabella Lumley – transcribed Lumby says she was born in Whitby.

[geno]

Now I'm having trouble finding Isabella Lumley pre 1901. In the 1911 census she says she was married 55 years, so in theory she should be using the same surname.

[geno]

Finally my first Rankin link!! In 1881 Isabella Lumley born Whitby 1849 (age is a bit off) living in Great Habton with Harriot A Rankin granddaughter who was born 1880 Great Habton.

And Isabella Rankin born 1859 daughter of Hugh Rankin marries John Frank in 1881 New Malton

[geno]

Another update so people don’t have to search for something I’ve found.

Isabella Rankin marries Henry Lumley 1878 Pickering. I’m trying to piece everything together but it’s getting confusing (my word of the week). Just speculation here but Isabella has a granddaughter called Harriet A Rankin so it’s possible especially based on her age when she was marrying Henry, that she was a widow. Children from this previous marriage would include the Jane that I’m looking for (b.1856-ish) and Isabella Rankin (born 1858-ish) who married Joseph Frank. But then because Mary Ann Atkinson was named as Isabella Lumleys sister, wouldn’t she be Jane’s aunt making Selina Atkinson her cousin not her niece?

I can’t find an Isabella Rankin born around 1833 in Whitby or a marriage to a Hugh Rankin or the births of Jane and Isabella. And god knows where John Harrison fits into this.

[geno]

I am at a loss as to what I should do next. Shall I get anyones marriage or birth certificate? If so which ones would be the most useful?

[geno]

I haven't got the certificates yet but I think I've found her parents
1851 John Harrison marries Ann Bell Simpson in Newcastle
1858 Hugh Baird Rankan marries Ann Bell Harrison in Stockton on tees.