Martha Miller - My brick wall!!

[santana]

Hello everyone,

My Aunt, Elizabeth McMaster, was buried in Crowlane Cemetery, 1964
My GMother, Lizzie Smart, buried in the same grave, 1970
Informant in both cases was Martha Miller, listed as Sister, and Daughter.
I have never heard of her, and cannot find her buried -- anywhere!
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you,

Santana

[Waitabit]

These burials are vewed here:

https://www.
deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Elizabeth McMaster
22 Feb 1964
Romford Cemetery (Havering

Smart, Lizzie
24 Jul 1970
Romford Cemetery (Havering

Martha Miller is a name mentioned ofter here-in, but which one may be yours? Shall try censuses etc.first.

[Waitabit]

Have been here there & also other places. Need help here looking for Martha Miller. (found some in Electorals for London.)

Do you know....?
Your G'Mother Smarts maiden name, ?
Elizabeth,..married or single,..maiden name if married.

Were they all from the Romford Havering area or born elsewhere.?

Trying to connect dots to lead to Martha, via a sibling of oe of them.

off to v.late brekky.

[Thomasin]

I was searching around last night, and came to a few dead ends. Do you have the birth years for your grandmother and aunt?

[pennydog]

This looks like the GRO ref for:- Lizzie Smart - Havering 5c 93 Sept qtr 1970, and gives dob as 13/2/1881

[Thomasin]

Santana has a previous post concerning these people, with dates, marriages, maiden names etc., entitled ELIZABETH EVANS, where Martha is mentioned as being born in 1904.

[Jan1954]

Santana has a previous post concerning these people, with dates, marriages, maiden names etc., entitled ELIZABETH EVANS, where Martha is mentioned as being born in 1904.Post # 22 in this thread (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/32169-ELIZABETH-EVANS/page3) :smile5:

[Thomasin]

There was an Arthur Miller who married a Martha Evans in Liverpool in 1940. Could Martha have taken the name of her stepfather?

[santana]

Thank you for replying to my request.
Yes, I did find Elizabeth and Lizzie on Deceased on line.

Santana

[santana]

Thank you for replying!
GMother's maiden name - McCallum, 1st marriage - Smyth 2nd marriage - Evans 3rd marriage - Smart
McMaster's maiden name - Evans
Both born in Belfast N. Ireland
No record that I can find for a Martha.

Santana

[santana]

Thank you for replying to my email!
Birth date for Lizzie: February 18th 1881
Birth date for Elizabeth: 1916
I found a 1970 address for Martha on Lizzie's death certificate it was: 4 Oreston Rd Romford, however, I have not found anything.

Santana

[santana]

Hi Pennydog,

Yes, that is Lizzie, I do not understand what Havering 5c 93 means.
Is any other information offered?
Thank you,

Santana

[santana]

Hello Tomasin,

I have recently discovered that Lizzie had a 3rd marriage, to a Charles Smart.
Martha, born in 1904, is Lizzies' daughter by her first marriage, and she died in 1914, in Belfast.

Santana

[santana]

Hi Tomasin,

Anything is possible!!
Is any other information available on that marriage?
Thanks,

Santana

[Thomasin]

So Martha was born a Smyth, and was nothing to do with Martha Miller, sister?

[Thomasin]

Is any other information available on that marriage?


It took place in Liverpool North, Lancashire between July and September of 1940, and the GRO reference is volume 8B page 1220.

I think they had three children, but I cannot elaborate because they are probably still alive.

[pennydog]

Hi Santana,

The reference is from the GRO (General Register Office) index, and is what you would need to order a death cert, but as you know the informant, date etc. you probably already have it. I only gave the details as Thomasin was looking for a dob for Lizzie and that info is on the later GRO indexes.

[santana]

Yes, Martha was born a Smyth, 1st marriage.
If this 2nd Martha was Lizzie's, she would have been an Evan, between 1914-1942.

Santana

[santana]

Thank you Tomasin.

Santana

[santana]

Thank you Pennydog.

Santana