Pepper Family

[pepperd]

Hi, I am new although I have asked a question or two awhile ago.
I am researching my family the Peppers from Peterborough northamptonshire, I have established a line with documents to Thomas Pepper and the members of his family however because the census records are from 1841 earlier information is inaccessable and I am in Australia.
Is there a contact that can verify available records for purchasing?


Thanks David Pepper

[janbooth]

Hello David,

Is your Thomas PEPPER the one with parents John & Martha living in Dogsthorpe in the 1841 census? If so, from Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1837-60:

24 May 1852 at Peterborough St John Thomas PEPPER, of the parish (Westgate), bachelor, 24, Farmer, father John, Labourer & Sally ALLEN, of the parish (Boongate), spinster, age 23, father Thomas, Wheelwright.

Or is he the one with a father William who is a bricklayer. If so, from the same source:

16 October 1849 at Peterborough St John Thomas PEPPER, of the parish, bachelor, full age, Bricklayer, father William, Bricklayer & Elizabeth WRIGHT, of the parish, spinster, full age, father John, Brewer.

More to follow

Janet

[janbooth]

Going back a generation for the 2 Thomas PEPPERs from Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1700-1837:

22 October 1804 at Peterborough St John John PEPPER of Etton & Martha BARROW of the parish

Looking at the 1841 and subsequent census records, William PEPPER, Bricklayer, is married to a Catherine, but there does not appear to be a marriage in Northamptonshire for them. However, there is a marriage at St John on 30 August 1822 of a William PEPPER & Caroline SHELSTON, both of the parish. I wonder if that should read Catherine SHELSTON?

Unfortunately, the Soke of Peterborough is not on either the Northants Baptismal Index nor the Burial Index, but if you let me know which Thomas is yours, then I will look through the Peterborough records I have to see if I can dig up any further info.

Janet

[pepperd]

Thank you for your replies, My Thomas Pepper is in the 1841 census - Boongate, St John The Baptist, Peterborough,
with Thomas & Elizabeth, children are Joshua, Felton, Robert and Thomas. for me this has been clearly established.
I have a marriage record 28 Dec 1859 for Joshua & Sarah Batchelor born 1830 Winchester, Hampshire. on the record Sarah's father is stated as John Batchelor from there?

[pepperd]

I am at the moment trying to link Jane Felton Pepper to my Thomas Pepper, I do use ancestry.com and findmypast, so I am making some effort and not trying to rely on others, the subscriptions for these cost plenty.
Jane's Baptism/christening date 22 July 1821 father stated as Thomas and mother Elizabeth, I obviously need more proof.

[janbooth]

David,

From Peterborough FHS Peterborough St John Baptisms 1813-1859:

22 September 1850 Alfred PEPPER son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Peterborough, Bricklayer
16 April 1854 George William PEPPER son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Peterborough, Bricklayer
3 August 1856 Joshua PEPPER son of Thomas & Elizabeth, Peterborough, Bricklayer, Privately baptised

Next generation back

20 February 1824 Felton PEPPER son of William & Catherine, Peterborough, Bricklayer
10 June 1825 Thomas PEPPER son of William & Catherine, Peterborough, Bricklayer
5 September 1827 Elizabeth PEPPER daughter of William & Catherine, Peterborough, Mason

23 May 1819 William PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
22 July 1821 Jane PEPPER daughter of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
12 January 1823 Henry PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
19 November 1824 Caroline PEPPER daughter of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
2 November 1828 Felton PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter & Joiner
26 November 1826 Joshua PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
28 October 1830 Robert PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
27 May 1832 Robert PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
15 February 1835 Thomas PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter

8 July 1821 Elisabeth PEPPER daughter of John & Mary, Peterborough, Stonemason
20 April 1823 John Felton PEPPER son of John Felton & Mary, Peterborough, Bricklayer
1 January 1826 Mary Ann PEPPER daughter of John Felton & Mary, Peterborough, Bricklayer
8 August 1827 George PEPPER son of John Felton & Mary, Peterborough, Bricklayer, a Twin
8 August 1827 Sarah PEPPER daughter of John Felton & Mary, Peterborough, Bricklayer, a Twin
11 January 1829 Sarah PEPPER daughter of John & Mary, Peterborough, Bricklayer
22 December 1839 Frederick PEPPER son of John & Mary PEPPER, Peterborough, Bricklayer

From this I would guess that there are 3 brothers who are all in the building trade and that Jane Felton PEPPER and your Thomas PEPPER are cousins but will investigate further.

Janet

[Coromandel]

Great work, Janet!

David, I don't know if you've noticed but at the end of an earlier thread (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/39145-Joshua-Pepper-Peterboro)of yours about the Peppers, a new forum member called John Pepper (descended from William Pepper & Elizabeth Felton who married at Peterborough in 1798) added a message to you. With the name Felton in your family it seems likely there's a connection somewhere. Though John hasn't logged into the forum since 2010, he is still a member so you could try sending a private message or e-mail if you haven't already made contact.

[janbooth]

To add to what Coromandel has just found for you, from Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1700-1837:

24 April 1798 at Peterborough St John William PEPPER, of the parish & Elizabeth FELTON, spinster, of the parish by licence. These two seem likely to be the parents of Thomas, William & John Felton PEPPER.

And this looks the likely marriage of John Felton PEPPER, on 20 February 1821 at Peterborough St John, John PEPPER, of the parish, bachelor, & Mary FISHER, of the parish, spinster.

FMP have burial records for Peterborough, so I assume you do not need those.

Joshua's marriage is not on the Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1837-60 but apart from your Thomas's marriage to Elizabeth WRIGHT, there are:

19 October 1840 at Peterborough St John William PEPPER, of the parish, bachelor, full age, Labourer, father Thomas, Carpenter & Anne LOWDER, of the parish, spinster, full age, father John, Shoemaker

28 July 1845 at Peterborough St John Latimer ALLEN, of the parish, bachelor, full age, Turner, father Thomas, Hatter & Mary Ann PEPPER, of the parish, spinster, minor, father John Felton, Bricklayer

12 January 1846 at Peterborough St John John BARTON, of the parish, bachelor, full age, Cabinet Maker, father John, Cabinet Maker & Elizabeth PEPPER, of the parish, spinster, full age, father John Felton PEPPER, Bricklayer

Thomas & Elizabeth PEPPER, he who is the Carpenter turned Innkeeper by the 1871 census, are buried in Broadway Cemetery, Peterborough Blk 1 B33. Thomas was buried in March 1872 aged 71 and wife Eliza in June 1872 aged 77.

Can't find any trace of BA(T)CHELORs in Peterborough on the Baptismal Index or on the Marriage Index 1700-1837.

Hope this helps further

Janet

[pepperd]

Well thank you for the information, whats with these people they are everywhere.
I had no idea to start with that there were so many and that they couldn't use different names, it does become confusing.
I rather need to rethink my searching and obviously concentrate on one person at a time.

[pepperd]

This stuff (sorry I cant think of a better discription at 5.30am )does make me lose all track of time.
I'll be back - who said that?

[janbooth]

Glad to be of help. My maternal grandfather came from Peterborough so over time I have purchased several CDs as I have found it one of the more difficult parts of Northants to research. There is a Peterborough FHS who are gradually producing records for Peterborough and surrounding parishes and the Local Studies Archives in Peterborough Library have always been very helpful and in the past have sent me material they have copied for me but of course you have to know what you want copied!

Good luck and let me know if I can help further.

Janet

[pepperd]

2 November 1828 Felton PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter & Joiner
26 November 1826 Joshua PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
28 October 1830 Robert PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
27 May 1832 Robert PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter
15 February 1835 Thomas PEPPER son of Thomas & Elisabeth, Peterborough, Carpenter




From this I would guess that there are 3 brothers who are all in the building trade and that Jane Felton PEPPER and your Thomas PEPPER are cousins but will investigate further.

Janet[/QUOTE]


To add to what Coromandel has just found for you, from Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1700-1837:

24 April 1798 at Peterborough St John William PEPPER, of the parish & Elizabeth FELTON, spinster, of the parish by licence. These two seem likely to be the parents of Thomas, William & John Felton PEPPER.

And this looks the likely marriage of John Felton PEPPER, on 20 February 1821 at Peterborough St John, John PEPPER, of the parish, bachelor, & Mary FISHER, of the parish, spinster.



Joshua's marriage is not on the Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1837-60 but apart from your Thomas's marriage to Elizabeth WRIGHT, there are:




Thomas & Elizabeth PEPPER, he who is the Carpenter turned Innkeeper by the 1871 census, are buried in Broadway Cemetery, Peterborough Blk 1 B33. Thomas was buried in March 1872 aged 71 and wife Eliza in June 1872 aged 77.

Can't find any trace of BA(T)CHELORs in Peterborough on the Baptismal Index or on the Marriage Index 1700-1837.

Hope this helps further

Janet

[pepperd]

You will please excuse me for my ignorence in the way I have the quotes posted.

However I when through the Information provided by Janet and apart from scaring me with all the names I have identified the first few names that are now in the previous post as the children of my Thomas and Elizabeth, apart from Robert (28 Oct 1830)as he doesn't appear in the 1841 census.Did he die?

The next part that is there being 3 brothers would be great if that can be confirmed.

I have via private messege to John Pepper asked about the reference in Coromandel's post, yet hear from him.
Tying it all together would great.

[pepperd]

Janet, I have a Marriage record for Joshua & Sarah.
The record has Marriage Solemnized at St Michaels's Church,in the district Parish of St Peter, Pimlico,in the County of Middlesex.
28th December 1859 Joshua Pepper & Sarah Batchelor,Sarah's residence was 54 Eccleston Square
John Batchelor is stated as being a Labourer.

[janbooth]

I think I may have found Sarah BACHELOR in the 1851 census of Paddington, St Marylebone. She is shown as a Servant in the household of Francis SANDFORD & his wife living at 9 James Street.

There is a John BACHELOR born c1794 living in the village of Week, Winchester in the 1851 census with wife Mary, sundry children and father in law Benjamin BROWN. John is shown as an Ag Labourer so that would fit with your Sarah's marriage record but there is no Sarah with this family in the 1841 census. The only Sarah BACHELOR I can find in the 1841 census of about the correct age (shown as 13) is one living with a Hannah aged 28, Ann aged 7, Jemima aged 6, Francis aged 2 and a Ruth aged 10 in he village of Week. However, it is interesting that John & Mary BACHELOR in the 1851 census have a daughter Ruth aged 20 living with them, so could the Hannah in the 1841 census be a daughter/in law to John & Mary. 1851 census shows Hannah living in Week village with daughters Ann & Frances and is shown to be a married Labourer's wife but no husband with her.

John & Mary BACHELOR are still in Weeke village in the 1861 census so I cannot find a link with Peterborough at all. I wonder if whoever wrote the wedding record down transposed the Peterborough detail from Thomas PEPPER to John BACHELOR?

IGI Family Search have the baptism of Sarah BATCHELOR on 10 August 1828 at Weeke, Hampshire, parents John & Mary. Siblings are all included on the same site. Can't find a marriage for John & Mary, but son Benjamin BACHELOR married Hannah WAKE at Weeke on 31 January 1833.

Hope this helps further

Janet

Census records courtesy TNA